[quote]The players at 300-5500 are all the top players. I beat them out using luna by doing exactly what i've told you. Not sure what else to tell ya man 🤷‍♂️ I guess the top players are just trash then. [/quote] Well, I'm at 3000 Glory...……...so either you're wrong about that Glory range being an accurate representation of "top players" or you'd consider me to be among them. My whole MO is using bad weapons, there's nothing less interesting or enjoyable than using the same weapons as everyone else. I derive my satisfaction in PvP by winning with a disadvantage. Seems like, for most people, it's winning and acting as if their advantage (Luna's Howl) played no part in it.