I have them and it’s obvious they needed a nerf. It’s common sense. They are the easiest guns to use BY FAR and the most powerful weapons to use BY FAR. They are so easy to use and get headshots. 180 RPM Handcannons have super small kick, perfectly vertical recoil, and an intrinsic perk that gives it huge accuracy boost. They get a 130% buff for 4 seconds after 2 consecutive crits. Next closest buff is 33% and you need to get a kill + reload. Multi-kill Clip has a 99% buff but you need to get 3 kills + a reload. If you don’t use those 2 weapons you are at a huge handicap and that made PvP all about 2 weapons, and that was boring as hell... You had 8 months to abuse them...you want the rest of D2 to abuse them lol.