nobody would have played comp then honestly.

Thats a crazy statement. All the hardcore PvPers i knew in D1 have long left D2. The one thing they wanted in D1 as a comp mode, and pinnacle weapons didnt exist then...although I guess trials weapons/gear for flawless were tamer versions. Even then most their perks were tailored to trials. Having pinnacle weapons that are tied to, or have their perks tied to the activities their intended for would save lots of trouble Id bet most of the use them weapons get is in quickplay and thats why Bungie have nerfed them. This couldve avoided it. The edge in comp is important and in quickplay it shouldnt be a factor, let alone motivate people to get them handcannons to make pub stomping easier imo.

There are hardcore pvpers playing D2. But true Pvpers wanted some sort of ranked playlist. I think the difference now is, one it's 4v4, and second and most important it's missing elimination and a lot of people dislike Countdown and Survival. 4v4 has turned out to be shit in Destiny. Many who asked for 4v4 because Halo was 4v4 have found out 6v6 is better and 3v3 for smaller games seems better because one person can carry. Thats far harder when it's facing 4 opponents. It also means it's harder for one solo player to effect a game. And Countdown and Survival just aren't that fun. I also think sure people offered that argument that "there should be high level rewards for high achievement" and "the same people calling for nerfs were saying "It's ok if everybody can't get every weapon" and "I'm ok if Bungie breaks the sandbox, Remember Prometheus lens." Well personally i think that was a dumb idea but they broke the sandbox and and they made guns that everybody can't get and they gave high achievers a high caliber reward. I think that is simply a case of people asking for something thinking it was a good idea when clearly it was not. I think as comp is currently designed people would skip it. And keep in mind. The entire reason they added a Pinnacle weapon was to entice people into playing comp. Comp was empty before. And it's also why people go play quickplay once they are done. Cause control and clash and rumble are better game modes and funner to play. My thing is once you've introduced the weapons, said, "Hey if you spend the worst time you can have in Destiny ever playing comp you can earn this great weapon," well then if you then go "psyche, yeah that weapon's now out gunned by old exotic you get from a quest like last word" then you can expect a massive backlash. And people won't want to invest time in chasing your loot because Bungie has shown over these like 5 or so years that they will always always make that item you chased no longer relevant, year one armor, year one weapons, whatever.

It won’t be any different next season with the nerfs. There will still be the same amount of people playing and there will be a new “sweaty” loadout that everyone will complain about. Would have been better to just reduce bloom imo. This whole situation is because of pinnacle weapons, that will never go away. You either make the pinnacle weapons a cosmetic item or you have something with strong perks. You aren’t going to have balance with special perks for pinnacle weapons.

If the OP guns, which in a skilled hand they defo were, are earned in comp- make them comp weapons. Easy. Earn it in comp to use it in comp. If someone is a badass why the f would they wanna pawn noobs in quickplay?!?? wtf lol They are guns for hardcore pvp'ers so make em exclusive to the hardcore pvp mode. How can anyone moan if they couldnt use it in quickplay? that seems just silly really and totally contradicts anyones claims that they are a baddass and everyone else just needs to 'git gud' I disagree with the same people playing though. Ive no doubt the only reason Bungie did this is cos its killing the crucible to new players, and the numbers have got real stale.

Comp isn’t fun. The only reason people play it is to get those weapons. I say if you have pinnacle weapons for Crucible then you have to deal with the consequences. Recluse will be the next one to get nerfed. At this point I say nerf all the pinnacle weapons into the ground and stop releasing pinnacle weapons altogether. Because people will always complain about them and they will get nerfed.