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4/28/2019 5:45:43 PM
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1. I try to do the enhancement core grind every week. I hate every second of it. So, for me, Bungie has created a negative feedback loop.
2. The enhancement core grind and powerful gear weekly stuff is essentially all I have time for. Like many of us, I have a grown man job and a family. This actively prevents me from fooling around with the new things Bungie adds to the game. They are hurting their own game with this garbage.
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You shouldn't have to grind for cores if you're using then wisely 🤷♂️
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Yes! Don't use the system designed to help you level up until after you're fully leveled up! If you're trying to have fun in this game, [i]you're doing it wrong![/i] You have to know how to manage the economy smartly... in an economy where both trivial and uncommon actions use one currency, another currency is so useless that new ways to spend it have to be invented, another currency that is accepted by two vendors who's prices are balanced from two different phases of the game, and with multiple vendors who's stock is useless because it hasn't been updated since the game's inception! Why can't you manage your resources in an economy that runs THIS smoothly?
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God forbid your character isn't playing barbie dress up until your 700 you won't be having any fun at all... darn.
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Edited by badmajics45: 4/30/2019 12:27:19 AM[quote][quote]Yes! Don't use the system designed to help you level up until after you're fully leveled up! [/quote] THIS.
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It’s like one of the talking dolls from the 1970s....
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It's as if I'm right though and I am
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Pull the string.....
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Righhht.... 🙄
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You should keep bad takes to yourself.
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Of course, why didn't I just think of that.
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That sucks. Probably should play a different game.
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Sunk cost fallacy I guess.
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These posts are what they need to pay attention to. They are hobbling the players that aren't die hards like myself and others. And they're completely ignoring NEW players who are blue for life until they hit Forsaken content.
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[quote]These posts are what they need to pay attention to. They are hobbling the players that aren't die hards like myself and others. And they're completely ignoring NEW players who are blue for life until they hit Forsaken content.[/quote] Yeah lets go back to Year 1 when the game cratered to casuals lol remember how that ended
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Year 1 was about trying to become an e-sport. Bungie’s line about making the game more casual was a load of bullsjit.
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[quote]Year 1 was about trying to become an e-sport. Bungie’s line about making the game more casual was a load of bullsjit.[/quote] It was probably both, to be fair. It doesn't get much more casuals than tokens and gettin raid/trials weapons without even touching those activities.
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What do you get when you try to present people an RPG that has been stripped off all its RPG elements because you want Its PVP to be an e-sport. You get what LOOKS like a simplified RPG. When what you actually have is a BROKEN one...made by a dev team that had NO respect for PVE or its players. As well as no understanding of what motivated them to play the game.
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Not really bullshit, but not exactly how people portray it. Appealing to casuals and making things easy to obtain was true, but all driving towards your correct point about wanting the game to be an e-sport. Bungie did it so the barrier to entry in the crucible was super low, all gear could be obtained quickly so you too could jump into the latest and greatest twitch e-sport of Destiny 2 without delay. It was not done to make the game easy mode because casuals complained D1 was too hard. That’s a patently false straw man that people who just aren’t bright enough to see the big picture cling to.
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It was bullshit. You just have to know the things that Bungie and Activision weren't willing to say at the time. 1. Activision OWNS Major League Gaming (MLG). 2. Every property that Activision Blizzard owns that has "competitive" PVP is an e-sport. (Call of Duty. Overwatch. Startcraft) 3. Right around the time Destiny 2 "rebooted" in development, Activision was puttign out feelers to see how the Crucible would fair on TV as an e-sport. 4. ALL THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE TO DESTINY 2 FROM DESTINY 1 WERE ALL THE CHANGES YOU'D NEED TO GET THE CRUCIBLE TAKEN SERIOUSLY AS AN E-SPORT. Changes that NO ONE on the PVE side of the game called for. a. Fixed Weapon rolls. b. Cosmetic armor. c. 4 v4 Crucible play (most popular shooter format for e-sports) d. All abilities being on super long cooldowns. (Try to make the crucible a gun game). e. Dual primaries (all OHK weapons in PVP become "power weapons") f. Energy weapons do bonus damage on supers g. Character skill trees stipped to the bare bones (So you don't get "troll builds") h. All perks that do any sort of RNG-based bonus damage stripped from the game. i Damage over Time removed from the game. j. Many of the games powerful legendary perks were turned into exotic perks. j. Massive emphasis on "performance-based" bonus perks.....mini-kill streaks. k. Power differences between wepaons and gear mashed as flat as possible. So you basically take a game that is a loot-based RPG...AND YOU STRIP OUT EVERY THING THAT DEFINES IT AS AN RPG....and what you have left over is actually little more than an over-engineered campaign shooter. How do you sell that game to people expecting a loot-based RPG? yOU TELL THEM THAT YOU'VE SIMPLIFIED THE GAME AND MADE IT MORE "ACCESSIBLE". When the reality is that you took the game and broke it over a knee...pursuing a different agenda....and hope your either customers don't notice. Or they are replaced by new customers who like the chanegs. NEITHER happened. The game just did a face plant on the way the MLG stage.
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I agree with most of this (goal was to make an e-sport of D2 and all changes geared towards that end). Only thing I disagree with was when you said Bungie’s line about making the game more casual was a load of bullshit. It wasn’t a total lie, it was a half-truth. Simplifying the game to appeal to the widest audience to increase the e-sport draw had the same end result as making a game for casuals. That half truth is what made “the casuals” such a convenient scapegoat to deflect as much blame as they could from the disaster Bungie’s true intentions turned into. At least for the ignorant masses that either didn’t want to or couldn’t see what was really happening with the game. It may seem like semantics we are disagreeing on, but it’s an important distinction. If there wasn’t any ring of truth then “casual” wouldn’t be the equivalent of a four letter word with this game.
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Edited by kellygreen45: 4/30/2019 10:19:51 AMThe worst kind of lies are when you bury it within a truth. Plus it makes the wrong group the target of anger. Many people are fighting getting rid of cores for infusion because they are still under the Bungie-facilitated misperception that Destiny 2 turned out the way it did because of casual players. It didn’t. It turned out the way it did because they wanted another e-sport to go along with Overwatch. The LIE is how do you sell a game designed for shooter gamers and pvp to an rpg and pve audience....after you’ve stripped it of those elements. “Broadening the appeal of the game” wasn’t a reason it was a rationalization for what was done looking for e-sport credibility. Likewise I don’t think it’s a coincidence that most of the team leaders responsible for vanilla Destiny 2 being the way it was are slowly being purged from the company. They are all leaving to “pursue other opportunities” at the same time. Which means Bungie is cleaning house and having another management shakeup. Only in the middle rather than at the top. I think the people who always saw this game as rpg-shooter finally got the game away from the pvp faction who tried rebrand the game in D2—and nearly destroyed the franchise in the process—-and are showing them the door. Luke Smith is running the show with the game, and I believe he doesn’t want this e-sport faction fighting him every step of the way like I’m sure they did when he tried to salvage Destiny 2.
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This is why D1 will always be a better game and no matter how much they try to fix D2, it will never get better - the very core (pun intended) is bad.
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Which is why I think we're seeing Bungie do what they're doing. They've pivoted to D3---or whatever its going to be called----and putting all their resources there. But you can't abandon D2. Because if you piss off its players....there won't be a franchise left by the time you're ready to sell it. That's the trap Massive nearly fell into with The Division. They'd let the game lapse into such a state (intially) and had related with teh community so poorly, we were doubtful for a long time whether there was even going to be a Division 2. Fortunately there was.
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I don’t remember if you mentioned movement speed, but that was another aspect of D1 that was changed to make D2 e-sport ready. If they have focused on D3 at the expense of D2 that’s not really a problem IF they do a better job communicating with their player base. Unfortunately, communication is not their strong suit.
