Great language there. Really sells your intelligence. They do. They are strong, stupidly strong guns that, when doing things like iron banner or qp where you don't have them, they tend to get steamrolled. Don't get me wrong, I picked mine up today and didn't do as hot as normal with my Ace, but I still managed to get an easy lights out with it. So no, they do. And you have no place to tell them they can't. Sorry sunshine, ya hate to see it.