It's not a discussion when Bungie literally refuse to discuss it. They stamp their feet and say it stays the way it is and that's final. That's not a discussion, that's us being told the failed system will remain with some very minor tweaks that are basically worse than even what we have. No more scrapper bounties which you have the chance to get from dismantling gear, now it's just daily and weekly bounties from the gunsmith and the weekly bounties aren't worth the time. They're now straight up limiting people further than they were before. Meanwhile people will continue to demand change until it happens or continue to leave. With the astounding level of communication and compliance, I'm starting to think Bungie want this to fail so they have an out. I don't think they care anymore, the updates for D2 are already slowing down, much like what happened with D1 and the cycle is complete. D1 started pretty bad, made it's way back and TTK was fantastic and a hit, then slowed down and gave way to Rise of Iron out of their desperation. D2 was marketed to be as good as or better than D1 was by the end and came out worse than D1 started out being in some ways, then got even worse with CoO and slightly better with Warmind, then Forsaken was another TTK. Ever since then, there's been more content drops than we got after TTK but still very low effort, the Challenge of Elders still feels like it had more effort put in than BA and this season and we know nothing about next season except that there's still no story missions and a raid which means next to nothing for most of us to do and once again, no word on what's happening in September, if anything.