Borderlands 1 and 2 and 3 is guaranteed to blow div 2 away. every Diablo game, Warframe, basically most of the best classic RPG games you can think of, i can name a half dozen final fantasy games with better loot. Including ff11 online and 14 online, World of Warcraft, both destiny 1 and 2 have better loot than division 2. Let's see, The entire elder scrolls series, Nioh, Torchlight, Don't even get me started on on the vast number of D&D games with better loot. Divinity original sin 1 and 2. The guild wars 2, monster Hunter world, path of exile, the Zelda series, Grim Dawn, dude the list of games that demolishes division 2 is so long, I'd run out of characters to write it all. It goes back even further than games like Ultima online and Diablo. You have NOT played many games if you actually think there isn't a sickeningly immense list of games that blow div 2 away at loot. You do not know what you're talking about at all. You just destroyed your own credibility putting division above the entire history of loot based games.

More isn't better. The guns in both Borderlands games are not very good, and for me---frankly---not very fun to play with. Borderlands 3 hasn't been released. So---unless you've had hands-on time with the game----you're not in position to say very much about that the game is like. Warframe is a game that is 7 years old. I can assure you that the Warframe of 2019 is NOTHING like the Warframe of 2014. I played that game...and it was such a disorganized mess of a game....that I put it down after an hour, and didn't pick it up again for another 3 years. YES, but Summer 2017, Warframe was a great game. But only after 5 YEARS of constant refining and improvement. Which Warframe was able to do in relative obscurity. Digital Extremes deserves credit for this...but we're not going to pretend that Warframe dropped on the world in that condition...because it didn't. World of Warcraft is a FOURTEEN YEAR OLD game, that....like Warframe...has undergone constant refinement. In no small part because the game is a billion-dollar a year CASH COW for Blizzard that no only pays for itself, but funds the development of other games as well. Never mind you've broken genre and are now trying to compare MMOs to loot games. Destiny 1 or 2 having better loot? ROFLMAO. Destiny games have spent most of the franchise's life being TERRIBLE loot games. Bad drop rates. Shallow perk pools. Constant nerfs due to PvP. A toxic cycle of the developers giving us power with each new content drop....adn then taking that power away as complaints form PVP roll in. Monster Hunter World I can't comment on because I haven't played it enough. But once again you are talking about a VERY old franchise that has had YEARS to refine its formula in relative obscurity. As for the rest, you're just throwing spaghetti at a wall hoping something will stick. The only other loot game in that mix is Diablo....which is a franchise...that has had over 20 years to refine itself. The rest is a hodge-podge of MMOs and RPGs that arent' even loot games. So...once again...thanks for making my point. When you do manage to come up with some apples-to-apples comparisons....you know where to find me.

Omg you are such a casual NOOB at gaming. You even saying div 2 has better loot than [i]any[/i] game deserves a slap across your noggin. There's no debating such s casual gamer like yourself who actually thinks loot in borderlands was done wrong. You have literally zero idea what a good loot game is and haven't even played most of the games on my list. The point is that by comparison, most games do loot better than div 2. Almost all games I've played aside from Anthem which sucked ass. Switching genres doesn't change the crux of the topic which is LOOT. And most other games do loot way better than div 2 did. All exotics in div 2 are useless trash and you have the actual balls to say borderlands did loot worse. Now that is a complete destruction of your pathetic credibility. Hands down the absolute most noob statement I've ever even heard anyone say in my entire history. You didn't even play borderlands, just stop LYING dude. You're such a fake. Talking like you know your facts when you're exposing yourself as a complete NOOB on loot. Conversation over. I don't associate with noobs who know nothing about games at all.

Name-calling and insults== "I just lost the arguments on the merits". Yes....you did.

Furthermore, they just released a new update today in division and the only new content is 2 missions that offer BACKPACK TROPHIES. And a raid coming that will offer ONE new exotic. WOOOOOOOOOWWWWW....... Lemme just fire up division 2 right now, i'm SO excited. Zzzzzz........ The loot is so trash in division 2 they can't come up with anything better than new backpack trophies right now and one exotic meanwhile there's nothing to be excited for because every exotic in the game is less powerful than high end****cough****common***cough**** drops. And you think division 2 has better loot than the most highly rated games in history that i mentioned. Shut. The. Funk. Up. You lose, dude.

You provided zero merits. If you can't say you played a good deal of the games i mentioned and you have to fake knowing about how good loot works, that means you came with zero for me to offer a rebuttal to. I mean you're a guy who thought borderlands had crap loot which means you didn't play any raids, you basically called some of the greatest games of all time crap and then hid from trying to reply about other games by saying they were only good after years of development. Which is a cop out. We're talking about the state of the loot in the games, not how long it took to get there. Division 2 needs a massive loot overhaul because there's nothing but junk to play for. In 3 years, the loot system will be the same crap. Same as division 1. Grind for a hundred drops just to get 1 perk or stat that's better to min max your build..... BOOORRRIIINNGGG...... In borderlands 2 you have hundreds of guns all with their own look, feel, firing visual effects, guns with their own unique personalities and double the amount of synergies than division 2 guns have because they don't just synergize with your few measly pieces of gear. They synergize with the elements you use, the gear you wear, the class you're using, the skills you have built around them in accordance with the vast number of ways you can build your skill trees. And you have to fight your ass off in raids and against rare, sometimes hard to find bosses so you have to work for it to be able to say you earned it. Unlike division 2 that rains the same yellow high end loot by the dozens and you're just saturated with some many of the same pieces you don't feel like there's any reward to what you're doing because high end loot is just common loot in div 2. There's no accomplishment in getting it, no real feeling of reward for your work. That is factually [i]bad loot,[/i] you ignoramous fool. You lie about playing borderlands because it's blatantly obvious you either didn't play it at all, or didn't play til end game, didn't find the best guns, didn't know how the loot system worked and it's clear you're just BSing your way through the debate now. You didn't even deny it when i accused you of not having played it. You call it name calling, but it's a fact you're a casual noob gamer who thinks division 2 is the Pinnacle of gaming loot. That means you're in a margin of people who are sheep and who don't understand loot. There's nothing more I need to prove because you already shot your own foot. You're a casual. You already quit division 2, and If it's so great and so extensive and you're such a hardcore endgame player, why are you done playing so soon after division 2's release... I'll tell you why. There's no content left to play and the loot sucks àss. You're beat dude, you got nothing for me. Let it go, kid, it's over.

@kelly and redcell. Maybe you should start personal conversation about division 😉 I play division like I thought I would. Couple of weeks of fun and than comming back every once in a while to play with some friends. Try the raid later on. I'm fine with that and am more on red's side in this. Don't care to much about the min max and builds because there's not much of a reason to build them cause you're just playing the same missions anyway. But let's get back to topic. Remove cores from infusion! 😎

[quote]Don't care to much about the min max and builds because there's not much of a reason to build them cause you're just playing the same missions anyway.[/quote] The content plays differently depending on your build and your play style. It may be the same mission....but its not the same EXPERIENCE if you're playing it as a marksman or LMG/support player hanging in the back supporting the push of the DPS players. Versus being in the thick of the fight as a tank with a riot shield controlling agro for the most dangerous NPCs on screen, and taking pressure off the DPS and support players.

If you enjoy that than I'm happy for you. I enjoyed the exploration of the world, weapons, perks and types of enemies. Finding out what works. Getting the huntermasks. Things like that. Playing the same shit over and over again to get diferent builds to do the same thing just doesn't interest me. And of course I've tried some diferent builds and weapons but the missions are still the same to me. The 'challenge' just isn't there fore me. Lets compare it to destiny. It's like playing the same strikes over and over again. Try diferent karakters supers and weapons. Sure. But it's stil the same strikes over and over again. I'll go play it every once in a while and when there's something new to do like the raid I'll pick it up again. But claiming the endgame of division is really deep... na.. not really. Not to me at least.

[quote]Playing the same shit over and over again to get diferent builds to do the same thing just doesn't interest me. [/quote] Which is---ultimately----the end game of every loot-based game that has ever been made. Taste in games is personal...and if you don't like that kind of game play...there is nothnig wrong with that. As long as you aren't playing a game that is designed around that kind of game play, and expecting it to be something else. The end-game of The Division 2 is quite deep. Its just a depth that doesn't appeal to you (personally) as a gamer.

Let's agree to disagree about the depth. I'm looking for prgression. Iff there's no incentive to progress ore even real progression it gets boring to me