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6/28/2019 8:06:07 PM
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The Community and Raids

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Hi Everybody, I'm not sure this is the correct place to put this, but I wanted to address an issue about raiding and the community. Earlier I read a disheartening thread where a fellow player mentioned that their raiding experiences since Destiny 2 release have not been as fun or as good as they were in Destiny 1. They mentioned that it was the mechanics of the raids, but after reading their statements it sounds more like a lack patience on their teacher's part that made the raid more difficult than it needed to be. This brings up a greater overall issue with the community. I'm not sure there is a dedicated spot for people to go where they want to learn the raid through hands on experience. A lot of the fireteams created for raiding have requirements like the participants are applying for a job. I remember in Destiny 1 you could go to a streamer or another person and put together a raid while carrying the worst guns, because your teacher was willing to spend time teaching you. I do want to mention that I am not speaking against having requirements for raids. If someone wants to create a fireteam and they have an idea for who they want on their team, then your fireteam members should fit that idea. It keeps people from getting frustrated and makes sure that newer raiding members steer clear of an environment where they will probably not be welcome. So, please, if you are looking for people with X thing then do keep adding those requirements. But there aren't many people out there just looking to help people get experience and completions with the raid. So, if you are reading this and want to learn the raid here is what I recommend. First, make sure you are 721 light. It just makes everything easier if your enemies aren't killing you faster while you are learning. Second, find a teacher and not just a raid guide. A lot of people learn better through first hand experience. If you need a teacher I am willing to teach Crown of Sorrows to anyone, just message me, reply to this thread -shrugs-, send a pigeon, and we can coordinate a time. Unfortunately I'm only on PSN right now, but next season I'll be on PC too. Third, and this is the most important part, be clear about what you need. If you are with a teacher and they say something that confuses you, wait until they finish and ask for clarification or for them to explain it differently. Don't place blame, but do ask for clarification, we all think and learn differently. For Sherpas, I think we need to make sure that the learners know we are out there. I currently have only sherpa-ed fellow clan members for the past couple of years, but I love teaching new raids. We also need to be aware that the same teaching method doesn't work for everyone, just because you explained something doesn't mean they understood. Be patient and understand that a teaching raid doesn't always get a completion, and that's ok. You can try again and they'll know more than they did before. The community is so focused on what guns are the best, and what is the optimal way to _____ that they forget some people just want to sit back and relax with their friends. Raids are end game content, but they are also something that a more casual player definitely has the skills to do.

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  • Edited by Raevenent: 6/30/2019 9:50:50 AM
    Thing is, some people are just unteachable, I've done my fair share of teaching and have seen some just unteachable no matter how hard you try and that's rather very taxing mentally especially if you're in the raid longer than you'd hope or want to, I've had to teach 3 guys in CoS one time, we beat it barely after being on the boss for about 5 hours, but I was rather very exhausted afterwards. The most I'm willing to teach is 2 and no more than 2, however if those 2 have bad loadouts for raids, then that gets narrowed down to 1, my group and I can carry 2 depending on the raid(Last Wish is a good example, you can have 2 people not know how to puzzle properly at Shuro Chi, cleanse at Morgeth, and read vault), but if 2 have bad loadouts then only 1 can go and the other will have to wait his or hers turn. 3 is a bit iffy. I've learned this with Monster Hunter the hard way(Thanks Arch-Temp Nergigante) and I think this analogy can apply here, sure you can have the best set up for X, you may have the best means to put out that damage, but what good is that damage if you can't execute the mechanics properly? Here's why I can pretty much never sympathize with anyone who says "Oh I've been kicked from a raid I'll never do one ever again". Did you know what's going on? Do you know what you were doing? Were you being an asshole? Was the group leader an asshole? Were you being a jackass? Was the group leader a total jackass? Did you lie your way in just to raid? If you were being an asshole, a jackass, or lie about knowing how to do a raid, then you 110%, deserved that boot. Especially lying about your experience, people can get angry about that, I know that shit drives me up a wall. "But it's only game." I don't know about you but I for one do not like being lied to or have my time wasted, if that's what you enjoy then great, I'll have no part of it. Also, it does help that the student also does his or her fair share of homework on how to do said raid. "What? I'm not going to watch a guide! I'd rather learn as I play! -blam!- youtube and blah blah blah" Yeah ok, I'd rather learn as I play too but if it's a group activity like a raid, and everyone has to pull their own weight, which you should ALWAYS ASSUME when going into a raid you've never done before, then reverse the rolls around, I'm the student, you're the teacher, then I'm going to do my homework on it so I know what's going on, and ask for clarity when I actually do it, [B]show me how to do it, so I can do it properly[/B] some people want to do it blind, that's cool to, make a team saying you want to do it blind with others, don't join a group that has a general idea of how to do the raid, and you be the only one who hasn't watched it cause you wanted to do it blind.

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