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9/17/2019 5:29:29 PM
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So what really worries me is when they say forsaken broke alot of bones and now they're going to reset them. Forsaken saved this game from dying.
I don't want to go closer to the year 1 version of D2.
If forsaken isn't want bungie wants destiny to be I'm not sure if I wanna play destiny.
I dunno, I'm going to wait and see what reaction shadow keep gets.
If it's like season of the drifter, or curse of Osiris I don't want any part of it.
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Pretty sure he means D2 set in place a lot of new and weak, self-limiting systems, like double primaries and boring armor, that Forsaken broke and now it’s time to reset the “bones” or foundation of the game with shadowkeep and lay the foundations of actually good systems they can build off.
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Well said.
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I hope you're right.
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Bungie did CoO and Drifter. High Moon and VV did Warmind, BA and SoO. Two of those studios aren't available anymore. That's what scares me.
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Edited by HoboMegatron: 9/17/2019 7:51:24 PMThat's scary. The best things about the past 2 years (escalation protocol, forsaken, opulence in general) bungie didn't make. And what's worse it seems like they don't even like those systems. It makes you wonder where bungie really wants destiny to go, and if it'll be another direction that the community doesn't like.
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Which community? This forum? This is a small fraction of the community. Go visit the rest of the internet, mostly praises this place is like a black hole.
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Well, my friends list shows only a few people playing this game, the list used to be 20+ of 'so-and-so playing Destiny'.... I guess the internet has spoken.
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Yeah? I have one person on my friends list that plays Borderlands 3 and maybe 2 that still play Fortnite, I guess those games are failures to. You do realize this is the longest time we have gone with nothing new to do right?
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Yes, it's been 2 years with nothing to do in this game. That's why the internet has spoken.
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If your saying your friends list emptied 2 years ago that make since. D2 yr1 was a mess with nothing to do until Warmind launched.....now everyone here is complaining that there's to much to do and Destiny is a second job.
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I don’t think they are saying there is too much to do so much as the grind is lengthy and seems like a second job to get stuff done, big difference
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Everything I say makes sense because I speak with facts not with emotion. The list I have of D2 players has been dwindling since launch, obviously most dropped off at some point in the first year but year 2 has seen most of those left flee the game. You can spin whatever post you reply to fit your needs but it doesn't change the reality. Most of the D1 players have fled the game in D2 and not come back.
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Ok, but the average daily player count hasn't dwindled all year until this last week. This is the first time in a year there hasn't been much to do and Borderlands plus Monster Hunter has pulled players away.
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More spin....it's because everyone has left except those stuck in the hamster wheel. The daily numbers are atrocious for a game this size, they are not something not brag about.
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If your saying your friends list emptied 2 years ago that make since. D2 yr1 was a mess with nothing to do until Warmind launched.....now everyone here is complaining that there's to much to do and Destiny is a second job.
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Which community? This forum? This is a small fraction of the community. Go visit the rest of the internet, mostly praises this place is like a black hole.
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Edited by Cinderchar: 9/17/2019 9:30:50 PMExactly. HM and VV understood and respected player time and agency with how they set their systems up and did it with purpose. Bungie has failed to do any of that with the content they have created, and like you said almost, almost seem to really not even care for that system. Ive played more EP, Forges, and Menagerie than anything else in the game by a long shot.
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High Moon were responsible for the Forsaken. Arguably the finest D2 content to date.
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I suspect Shadowkeep will be another meh dlc. No preorder from me this time.
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Yeah I sounds like bungie is changing a bunch of things. I'm not sure if armor 2.0 is going to be amazing or terrible. And the nerf to precision damage but buff to base damage sounds like it might be a 1 step forward 2 steps back situation.
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It’s a big nerf disguised as a buff...
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That’s what I’m t looks like. Bungie just can’t seem to let things be strong.
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Edited by PilksUK: 9/17/2019 5:37:12 PMI think he means the power creep since right before Forsaken and then after the game got alot of buffs and this created power creep hence the nerfs to weapons and space magic coming with shadowkeep. D2 when it launched for the most part was pretty well balanced in PVE and PvP which only had issues due to the poor map design and slow TTK.
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D2 was boring as hell when it released.... that was all down to bungies design vision. Balance is impossible in a rock, paper, scissors game...
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So before forsaken launched bungie made D2 free. I picked it up and played till forsaken launched. 2 primaries was terrible for PvE. Static rolls destroyed the loot portion of the game. PvP was pretty balanced, but it was boring and pvp players left in droves because they didn't like it. I agree that map design and slow ttk was bad too, but D2 was a regression from D1 on soo many levels. Forsaken got things back to a decent state. I want bungie to build on this and make the game more fun, more engaging, and more interesting. Dialing things back from forsaken is not something I want to experience. From the changes they've announced shadowkeep sounds like a pretty drastic re-balancing of the game. I haven't played it yet so I don't know if it'll be good or not. But I'm worried because I lived though the hand cannon nerfs in D1 (which were harsh despite it only being 3 exotics in pvp that were issues), the hype for D2 turning in to huge disappointment, and all the fun strong exotics being wrecked for various reasons (which has happened over and over through the franchise). Bottom line I don't look forward to bunige balance passes, I fear them because historically they've made the game less enjoyable for me.
