[quote]That being said, if the community was chomping at the bit to criticize BL with the Adamance that they have for criticizing destiny, it wouldn't last a single day. Most of the criticisms of destiny apply to BL and many more do as well. However, people refuse to be objective and are judicious in their application if criticism. There are criticisms of destiny that no one would dare apply to any other game and that would absolutely apply to BL and many more games.[/quote] Some gripes about skills not working and release bugs, but gearbox forums are pretty tame in comparison. I put it to a difference in expectations. Borderlands players don't expect as much as Destiny players. But I also think there's an underlying conflict in Destiny; pve player's expectations vs pvp player's expectations being in direct conflict, which Borderlands doesn't have to deal with.