Let's put it this way: It takes about half a mag to kill a simple trash mob. A Handcannon takes 2-3 shots.
Also buff Breakneck plz.
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I don't think they are bad in PvE. The main issue is that there are not many energy autos in the game that are worth using. I'd love to use my Izanagi/Osiris Auto with Subsitence and Multi-Kill Clip/Wendigo. The only issue is that the Osiris Auto is in the kinetic slot. We simply need autos that can role with very good roles in the enery slot. Now this is for PvE. PvP not so sure.