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Edited by Infected-PeterGryphon:
1/16/2020 3:45:57 AM
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NERF ERENTIL AND BACKUP PLAN
I really hope Bungie, that you pay attention to this post. Erentil is a weapon that has large usage in survival on console. It needs a range nerf and the perk "Backup plan" to be removed from the weapon. A fusion rifle SHOULD NOT be able to kill you at Pulse rifle range. And the perk , "Backup Plan" should not exist on such a weapon. Hand cannons got a nerf because they could three tap at such range, but nothing was ever done to fusion rifles. A "God Roll" Erentil is an easy way to win, especially with backup plan and TAKES NO SKILL to use. You are losing a considerably large player base because of this and I hope you take into consideration to look into this and give it the tweaking it deserves.
Edit: I was extremely upset at the time of this posting because I faced 3 erentils and a jotunn in survival and also faced it twice again a couple of matches later. I still stand by my argument to nerf erentil, if not it's range, backup plan for sure. Also, wish it was taken it out of managerie and make it only available via Gunsmith.
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3 Replies[quote]I really hope Bungie, that you pay attention to this post. Erentil is a weapon that has large usage in survival on console. It needs a range nerf and the perk "Backup plan" to be removed from the weapon. A fusion rifle SHOULD NOT be able to kill you at Pulse rifle range. And the perk , "Backup Plan" should not exist on such a weapon. Hand cannons got a nerf because they could three tap at such range, but nothing was ever done to fusion rifles. A "God Roll" Erentil is an easy way to win, especially with backup plan and TAKES NO SKILL to use. You are losing a considerably large player base because of this and I hope you take into consideration to look into this and give it the tweaking it deserves. Edit: I was extremely upset at the time of this posting because I faced 3 erentils and a jotunn in survival and also faced it twice again a couple of matches later. I still stand by my argument to nerf erentil, if not it's range, backup plan for sure. Also, wish it was taken it out of managerie and make it only available via Gunsmith.[/quote] Stop crying.
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Nice Dust Rock. Nice Badlander. Nice Broadsword. Nice Revoker. Nice Symmetry. You got all the toys, but you don’t like Fusions, huh?? HhMmmmmm.
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Backup plan should go to plan c. Other than that....um....map awareness? If you're too close charging in mindlessly yeah, you're a target. If you're far, like 40 meters and up, you'll live. If you juke and use your vertical space, you may live if they don't see you fast enough. If you compete in hc range without cover, you're dead. If you stand at 40 meters and stand still, you're dead. Stop charging into fusions, or back up.
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8 RepliesEdited by Guardian6969: 1/16/2020 2:08:49 AMStompees, luna’s howl, and drb. Yet you feel like you have to complain about erentil? Gtfoh. It’s always players like YOU who complain about erentil. And ain’t no one quitting the game over erentil. Matchmaking sucks, plain and simple. Players have never stopped playing over one weapon, not even when LoW was mapping from 20 meters.
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1 Reply*shotguns making up 20% of kills* Reeeeeeeeeeee Nerf Fusion Rifles reeeeeeeee
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Edited by michael: 1/19/2020 5:04:49 PMI think that backup plan is the only truly broken thing. Someone is around a corner, you see them on your radar and back up so you don’t get shotgunned, they slide and swap at the same time vaporizing you in .4 seconds. There is literally no counterplay at all to that. You don’t know if they have a fusion because there is no charge time audio queue so you just have to guess, and the only way to counter it is guessing correctly what they will do and run away. But running away isn’t really a counter, when something can only be countered by running from it it is overpowered imo. I think the range is pretty insane and annoying but tolerable. It allows people to primary fusions and gets very annoying to go against but it isn’t as broken as backup plan. [url=https://streamable.com/5zfen]from today, my first time ever using erentil[/url] stock erentil with no firmly planted, rangefinder, masterwork, or high impact btw
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Keep erentil but remove backup plan from fusions. The incredibly low charge time with backup plan makes them fire at close to the same speed as shotguns but with triple the range. Sometimes even quadruple.
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agreed
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1 ReplyRemember kids, It's better to be a fusion monkey than a shotgun ape like mr Dust Rock Blues here
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If you remove backup plan you gotta bring back Plan C
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[quote]Erentil is a weapon that has large usage in survival on console.[/quote] yet stats show that shotguns, snipers and hand cannons are the most common weapons in comp.[quote] It needs a range nerf and the perk "Backup plan" to be removed from the weapon.[/quote] Why? because you died to it?[quote]A fusion rifle SHOULD NOT be able to kill you at Pulse rifle range.[/quote] Why not? Fusion is nuclear power. A rifle is a mid to long range weapon. Besides, if it had shotgun range, nobody would use it because of the charge time.[quote]Hand cannons got a nerf because they could three tap at such range,[/quote] because hand cannons aren't rifles[quote] A "God Roll" Erentil is an easy way to win, especially with backup plan and TAKES NO SKILL to use.[/quote] Then why did I vault mine?[quote]You are losing a considerably large player base because of this[/quote] Proof?
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[quote]I really hope Bungie, that you pay attention to this post.[/quote] They won't because the stats they use as a basis for nerfing weapons show PvP is overpopulated with Shotguns and Snipers, not Fusions. [quote]Erentil is a weapon that has large usage in survival on console.[/quote] Not as much as NF, LH, DRB, Revoker, Beloved, Mindbenders and other weapons. [quote]It needs a range nerf and the perk "Backup plan" to be removed from the weapon.[/quote] I agree with removing BUP, but that's it. [quote] A "God Roll" Erentil is an easy way to win, especially with backup plan and TAKES NO SKILL to use.[/quote] If Erentil was a free ticket to Legend, every noob in the game would be using it, yet they use the weapons listed above a lot more.
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4 Replies[quote]I really hope Bungie, that you pay attention to this post. Erentil is a weapon that has large usage in survival on console. It needs a range nerf and the perk "Backup plan" to be removed from the weapon. A fusion rifle SHOULD NOT be able to kill you at Pulse rifle range. And the perk , "Backup Plan" should not exist on such a weapon. Hand cannons got a nerf because they could three tap at such range, but nothing was ever done to fusion rifles. A "God Roll" Erentil is an easy way to win, especially with backup plan and TAKES NO SKILL to use. You are losing a considerably large player base because of this and I hope you take into consideration to look into this and give it the tweaking it deserves.[/quote] There is no data to support a nerf of Erentil or other fusion rifles. It’s does not have a large usage in survival. It has 1% usage in survival. That includes PC which has the highest % of active players playing the game post new light. Even if you look at console only, which you shouldn’t because you should look at all platforms when considering balance changes that effect all platforms, it is not the most used special weapon OR energy weapon. The fact is it’s the 5th most used energy weapon and the 5th most used special weapon in survival. The back up plan perk isn’t even a good perk for dedicated fusion rifle users. It’s better to control your charge rate yourself and get the consistency of using other perks in that slot. The gun is balanced and serves a role in countering the meta loadout of shotgun + handcannon. Nerfing a viable gun out of viability would just make the META more oppressive, the game less varied, and the game less fun. The gun doesn’t map anyone in actual crucible matches. The majority of its kills come from <20m against players who push it out of cover then complain they got mapped. If you watch gameplay footage of players using the gun for high kill games you see that they get most of those kills at <20m against running at them in the open, or standing still out of cover. You can adapt to perform well against fusions by not pushing fusion users out of cover, not stand in the middle of lanes spamming your primary at them, and not peek corners when you hear the very loud audio queue of a fusion charging. Do that and you won’t have anything to complain about anymore. No need to keep spreading the dead memes about this gun, do what good players do and adapt when you actually run across one in your games. There is no need to try and be over dramatic and try and claim the game is losing players because of a gun that isn’t overpowered and doesn’t need a nerf. If you have data to present that suggests it’s overpowered go ahead, but there isn’t any.
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[quote]I really hope Bungie, that you pay attention to this post. Erentil is a weapon that has large usage in survival on console.[/quote] So shotguns, pulses, and [i] especially[/i] hand cannons need an emergency hotfix based on this logic, even off the top of my head, they're all higher usage. [quote]It needs a range nerf[/quote] Mid-range is 35 meters, guess where fusions lose consistency? At best, 35-ish meters. [quote]and the perk "Backup plan" to be removed from the weapon.[/quote] The only change that's at all something that I'd say yes to is buffing Backup Plan, but having it be moved to Plan C only. As-is, it's pretty gimmicky and best spent on other perks, such as Grenadier, of buffs to consistency. [quote]A fusion rifle SHOULD NOT be able to kill you at Pulse rifle range. And the perk, "Backup Plan" should not exist on such a weapon.[/quote] Medium range weapons should be effective at medium range, end of story. And refer above for Backup Plan. [quote]Hand cannons got a nerf because they could three tap at such range, but nothing was ever done to fusion rifles.[/quote] Because Spam Cannons to this day are still really really close, if not within a category of "catch all" God guns. I'd argue that they might need another nerf, granted ARs need to actually be competitive before touching Cannons again. But Spam Cannons are stupid easy to use and incredibly bloated in pretty much every aspect other than damage falloff. [quote]A "God Roll" Erentil is an easy way to win,[/quote] I won't look at your loadout, but I'm guessing you're trying to mindlessly beat a Fusion with a Spam Cannon. [quote]especially with backup plan and TAKES NO SKILL to use.[/quote] Aiming skill is debatable, albeit you need to hit around thighs for optimal performance. But especially slow fusions are about positioning and brain skill, since they're super slow and if improperly played, you're done for. [quote]You are losing a considerably large player base because of this[/quote] They're losing a large part of the playerbase because they aren't properly... What's the word? Maintaining? PvP, limited maps and stuff and a meta that's been more or less the same few guns for over a year now. It's been Spam Cannon, maybe Pulse/Shotgun or Sniper for the most part since the weapon slot and TTK changes, the only real difference is a few challengers to that have come and gone like Recluse. [quote]and I hope you take into consideration to look into this and give it the tweaking it deserves.[/quote] Bungie, don't take this guy's advice. [quote]Edit: I was extremely upset at the time of this posting because I faced 3 erentils and a jotunn in survival and also faced it twice again a couple of matches later. I still stand by my argument to nerf erentil, if not it's range, backup plan for sure. Also, wish it was taken it out of managerie and make it only available via Gunsmith.[/quote] Ehhhhhhhhh, I disagree with taking it out of Menagerie. Menagerie need a bigger loot pool, tho, add more guns to it.
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13 RepliesSTFU with Nerf talks. This is a joke. This game is boring as duck because of all these nerfs. Blowing shit up is a lot more fun than spending 10 minutes to beat a boss. That is what's wrong with the game.
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Erentil is overpowered? That’s why I never see it.
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Ugh another one.....
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Oh, another salty Hunter. How original.
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6 RepliesEdited by WulfPak666: 1/16/2020 12:55:03 AMErentil, Elatha, even Wizend Rebuke and the new Gallant Charge can all map people. If anything it's a issue with high impact fusions. I'd agrue Erentil is most common since you can print it on demand in Menagerie. The only thing broken about them is Back up Plan. Literally takes the only negative about them (slow charge time) and says "nah fam." But in survival, don't you play to win? To win you gotta play meta trash. So of course Erentil is gonna be excessive in comp. But so is Luna/NF and you can't use both those and Erentil at the same time.
