Millennials are entitled.

Sadly this is why many people don’t do raids Including myself Used to do raids all the time in d1 D2 people make ya feel like do you don’t do it when it’s new you shouldn’t do it at all But it’s vog So duck them I know the raid better, of course mechanics are different but still I have the experience I’ve even 2 manned it, so just need to learn these new mechanics

Some lfg teams are like that, some aren't. Depends on the people at the time unfortunately.

You have to understand it is week one of a new raid, ppl will quit if they see no promising progress. I have over 480 raid clears and know when a raid boss fight is dying or just not going anywhere. There are ppl like that. LFG these days is just kwtd and fast activities. In my experience I stay away from LFG especially on week 1.

That’s exactly the reason lfg sucks and whenever I post about just add a matchmaking option for everything and I get attacked by the community saying “every hear of lfg?” Yeah no shit and I’ve sat on lfg for an hour or more trying to get picked up but I don’t have the weapon they want me to use or I haven’t ran it enough times or I need some mod. It’s always some ridiculous requirements these morons want.

All anyone asks of anyone in a raid is to NOT make the same mistake Twice! or Trice! Repeat offenders are frustrating and frustration leads to anger. Call it toxic or whatever you want it's a fact! I won't raid in D2. I have found LFG's, Clans and people in general to be toxic AF. I've been flying solo since Shadowkeep and have enjoyed the game immensely since then. I must admit thou I'm not liking the direction Destiny 2 is heading in and play other games as well. I USE Destiny 2 as a stop gap now and entertainment. If the entertainment dies so does the game for me.

[quote]It’s bad enough the changes they made with the oracles but the toxicity and elitism of people in these lfg groups is unbelievable. My clan was short 2 guys so we ended up using lfg and found some people to fill the spots. These 2 guys said they had an Atheon checkpoint and ask if we could start there and they’d help us with the beginning parts after so we agreed. Now this was our very first time in the raid learning everything and these guys had already played and made it to Atheon. So we start and their we a few mistakes but after a while we were getting the hang of stuff. All of a sudden these guys say um I don’t think we will get this done the damage isn’t enough. Now these guys were putting out similar to less damage than everyone else and were making mistakes as well. They just continued to be negative and no longer wanted to help anymore. It’s just ridiculous how people just don’t have the patience anymore to figure out where the mistakes lie, correct it and keep pushing. They rather be negative, create tension and anxiety. People want to beat the raid just as badly as these elitist pricks. Thus why raid should’ve stayed the same as it was in D1 and challenge mode should’ve had the changes.[/quote] Not at all. If asking for competent people and for people to do their part is toxic tham I guess litteraly anyone who raids or do hard content is toxic to you. Sorry but nobody wants to sit in a raid for hours and definitely not the same encounter with no progress repetition fatigue set in and people get upset. This game is going to the point that subpar people are just not wanted, needed, and definitely not considered. Only the best of the best at this point or run your own group. Nobody wants to explain an entire raid when there are videos or teach grown azz men who were smart enough to swipe their card to buy the game but not watch a video. Your situation is too common and most would react the same way to those completely unprepared and obviously lacking. The blues in this game are just that bad now.

that's the same for every raid in their first day, has nothing to do with vog in particular, the raid still sucks

I had a big issue with LFG this week, but that’s not the fault of bungie. That’s entirely on the community and for what it’s worth; I’ve never made posts that asked people to “KWTD” when it comes to raids I know myself. Returning raid or new raid, all I ask is that people speak clearly & communicate as a team. I can sharpa anyone so long as they’re willing to follow along & get the job done..! :-)

It's because this game's grind is so extensive that people don't have time for anything. Back in Y1 it was lighter, less intense. These days? Different structure. Don't have time, got season challenges to do.

[quote]It’s bad enough the changes they made with the oracles but the toxicity and elitism of people in these lfg groups is unbelievable. My clan was short 2 guys so we ended up using lfg and found some people to fill the spots. These 2 guys said they had an Atheon checkpoint and ask if we could start there and they’d help us with the beginning parts after so we agreed. Now this was our very first time in the raid learning everything and these guys had already played and made it to Atheon. So we start and their we a few mistakes but after a while we were getting the hang of stuff. All of a sudden these guys say um I don’t think we will get this done the damage isn’t enough. Now these guys were putting out similar to less damage than everyone else and were making mistakes as well. They just continued to be negative and no longer wanted to help anymore. It’s just ridiculous how people just don’t have the patience anymore to figure out where the mistakes lie, correct it and keep pushing. They rather be negative, create tension and anxiety. People want to beat the raid just as badly as these elitist pricks. Thus why raid should’ve stayed the same as it was in D1 and challenge mode should’ve had the changes.[/quote] THANKS FOR THE INFORMATION. As someone who doesn't like the raid changes but wanted to see how bad it was for myself... You have made me consider that LFG is a bad idea as usual due to raider elitists.

Being impatient doesn’t automatically mean they’re toxic. I’d get a little impatient too if I was running the same section for an hour and getting nowhere. If they didn’t feel it was going to work and wanted to go on their own way, that’s fine. If they were running their mouths off and trash talking, that’s totally different. However, toxicity is and has always been a huge problem in Destiny going all the way back to the first raids and even nightfalls. So many people expect perfection right out of the gate, and that’s almost never the case. I haven’t played for some time now and simply came back to the forum to get a feel for the current state. But when I was playing all the time, I found that the easiest way to sift through these types is to be as transparent in your lfg post as possible. That way, if someone responds to a post from a bunch of players on their first run, they already know what they’re getting into and will likely be more patient.

Must have gally

It's why I haven't raided since eater of worlds. 24 hours after you get post saying kwtd. I will run anytime with someone like you