[quote]How long would your 5 man carry take?[/quote] Depends. Sometimes Hours! I put a day aside to do this. Mostly on weekends when I'm free. I have a young Family back then. I stay at home on weekends with them, and we spend it together indoors, especially on winter time. As the raid gets older, I don't need a lot from it, so that's a good time for me to focus on others. When I was doing it with LFG, would take 3 or 4 hours for Normal and over 5 hours on prestige. The last time I did it with clan of 5 newbies took about 5 hours with Divinity run on GoS raid. Some of them have no idea how to do the entire raid at all. I'm in academics, so I spend a lot of time simplifying strat for them. And I explain it thoroughly first. That's probably costing me half of the time as well. Lol. Community should build on this. If you want a strong Community. This is how you do it. This is the way! Don't give food, teach and show them how to grow and make food. Community will be stronger and never hungrier! 2 cents!