"Well, you know what they say on here, get good noob, if you knew how to game then this wouldn't happen" That is how people think of these things, I called out another thread of people scoffing the idea that the Contest was dishonest and not a genuine test of guardian abilities and planning- that the idea of increasing enemies, lowering light and allowing for unique targeting and AI behavior made even gettin inside the gate without people losing their crap impossible- on average I had teams last 30 mins before people bailed out of rage Yet the response was, you weren't playing it right or "get good" And if you point out the shear lunacy of somehow expecting everyone has access to the various grind based loot (weapons and armor) that are used to complete these things Like to be frank, the one raid I've done/helped the most is Scourge- help people clear it all the time, only had the game consider one playthrough legit and I have never been able to get anarchy or the other crap Now that things cost "spoils of light"? I am likely to never attempt a raid again unless a fireteam choose to ask me for help You use the Bnet and people are either impatient and quit the second they aren't pleased Or you spend 50 hours grinding for a paycheck that is then used to "buy" raid armor that in no way would be obtained in these manners- given the lore and reality of life would never afford the chance for you to replay reality over and over to get an armor set- it was an already stupid and modified system from the loot rewards of d1 and seems to only have been done to force people to replay the raids over and over again Sure, giving us a full set of armor on our first play-through may be much- and it is this logic that allows people to enjoy the grind and repeatability but to work for a paycheck to later purchase rare and unique armor forged by (in lore) the environment? That is utter stupidity and it's obvious Bungie did it to force us to play more raids Yet the system to create and join them is still broken, and they obviously aren't going to care about screwing players with lives over for those whom make it their life's mission to max out their challenges and rolls- those people have the least amount of utility in this community and most often only abuse and use other players to get ahead- the crap ios toxic and I'm glad people are calling this crap out I've been here since Halo 1 and 2, I love the community- but the gaming world has changed and it no longer favors the use of games for just entertainment and community- now its a competitive surrogate for NFL and NBA wannabees you could never put the same amount of efforts to actually living life Which is why they never have solutions to make the PVP and PVE gameplay more inclusive to those just trying to enjoy the worldscaping- only leave, get good or shut up and find a better fireteam Like how about this? You idiots leave destiny and try this crap in COD or FN- at least then toxicity and humping would be acceptable there... Sigh... I hate that I feel this angry about it all...but worst is that others say the same things and yet nothing changes in the favor of the community- we aren't casuals, and we aren't power-junkies- we are gamers who like zoning out into another world for a few hours- not join it and sell our souls just to be able to play Control We shouldn't have to reenact West Side Story, forming gangs and cults of players, just to have a chance playing against others...