Sigh, clearly you have little understanding why this feedback is valuable. Try hards cannot match against newbies all the time :/

[quote]Sigh, clearly you have little understanding why this feedback is valuable.[/quote] It isn't, bottom tier or new players aren't going to be catered too in 6vs6 modes [quote]Try hards cannot match against newbies all the time :/[/quote] 1. Newbies aren't going to get a safe space. 2. Cbmm is a dice roll for everyone, that means if tryhards match tryhards the match is good. If trthards match newbies the match is [u]also[/u] good.

If newbies don’t need SBMM. Then veterans don’t need rapid fire one hit kill zero flinch zero recoil weapons in PvP. You cannot have it both ways and expect PvP to succeed. Either SBMM is required or actual proper weapon balancing is required. Those are the cold hard facts and if you believe otherwise then your input in the conversation is irrelevant. Because you’re flat out wrong.

[quote]If newbies don’t need SBMM. Then veterans don’t need rapid fire one hit kill zero flinch zero recoil weapons in PvP. You cannot have it both ways and expect PvP to succeed. Either SBMM is required or actual proper weapon balancing is required. Those are the cold hard facts and if you believe otherwise then your input in the conversation is irrelevant. Because you’re flat out wrong.[/quote] You literally have no idea what you're talking about because everyone has a plethora of excellent weapons easily obtained from pve that are great for pvp. There are no "rapid fire 1 hit kill zero flinch, zero recoil" weapons. You literally dont know the basics of this game.

No. Not everyone can play 6-8 hours a day spamming a raid for a god roll or a .01% mod drop. Either PvP is a skill based level playing field and CBMM is fine. Or PVP is a complete a utter -blam!- show with absolutely no considerations or balancing and you require SBMM to split the people that play this as a full time job from the people that actually have full time jobs.

[quote]No. Not everyone can play 6-8 hours a day spamming a raid for a god roll or a .01% mod drop.[/quote] See this just proves how little you know about the game - there are a ton of ways to get decent guns - some are literally sold by vendors for 25 legendary shards yet you're too lazy to even pick those up and use. The game has a ton of good guns and plenty of easy ways to get them but even that's not enough for players like you. [quote]Either PvP is a skill based level playing field and CBMM is fine. Or PVP is a complete a utter -blam!- show with absolutely no considerations or balancing and you require SBMM to split the people that play this as a full time job from the people that actually have full time jobs.[/quote] You aren't going to get a safe space because you aren't competent or don't have enough playtime to get a decent gun of which there are hundreds of good options from all sources

Not one of those guns is even remotely close to being as good as any meta gear. You just become slightly better than random loot. Not blatantly overpowered. You cannot say “git gud” and at the exact same time dismiss the fact that skill is irrelevant because balancing is -blam!-. It doesn’t matter how good you are if the other person takes twice as long to die and kills you in half the time from a longer range. Honestly, the fact that new lights even get kills is a testament to the fact that skill is irrelevant. If meta players were actually skilled then they’d never die because of how big of an advantage they have.

[quote]Not one of those guns is even remotely close to being as good as any meta gear. You just become slightly better than random loot. Not blatantly overpowered. You cannot say “git gud” and at the exact same time dismiss the fact that skill is irrelevant because balancing is -blam!-. It doesn’t matter how good you are if the other person takes twice as long to die and kills you in half the time from a longer range. Honestly, the fact that new lights even get kills is a testament to the fact that skill is irrelevant. If meta players were actually skilled then they’d never die because of how big of an advantage they have.[/quote] You're delusional, the main Ingredient is as meta as it gets and was sold by xur for 25 shards, same with the 7th seraph shotgun sold by the Gunsmith. You refusing to utilize the available source for meta gear is on you.

NEW LIGHTS as in NEW PLAYERS. Oh Xur sold a weapon? Well, I guess I will go back in time and buy it then. What a joke.

[quote]NEW LIGHTS as in NEW PLAYERS. Oh Xur sold a weapon? Well, I guess I will go back in time and buy it then. What a joke.[/quote] What a moronic reply - xur comes every week, Gunsmith sells things every week, still got excuses? I bet you do

Guess you missed the part where humans cannot travel through time and go to any random week where the vendors were selling those items. I guess I shouldn’t have expected you to understand time travel is impossible. You clearly don’t understand that pvp in this game isn’t skill based and that a far easier concept to grasp. You’re not intelligent enough to carry on this conversation so we’re done here. Good luck in life dude. You’ll need it.

Pvp right now is a safe space.

[quote]Pvp right now is a safe space.[/quote] You don't know the definition of a safe space then

[quote][quote]Pvp right now is a safe space.[/quote] You don't know the definition of a safe space then[/quote] Microagression much? You have no respect for marginalized communities and can't recognize your own privilege.

[quote][quote][quote]Pvp right now is a safe space.[/quote] You don't know the definition of a safe space then[/quote] Microagression much? You have no respect for marginalized communities and can't recognize your own privilege.[/quote] You literally don't understand a term and rather then learning are going to double down on it? Cringe. A safe space is where specific things that trigger members are excluded, seeing as sbmm literally excludes bad players from all good ones it is a perfect fit. So how's your example of cbmm being a safe space work? Oh wait it doesn't since cbmm excludes no one from interacting with anyone else....so much for your attempt

[quote][quote][quote][quote]Pvp right now is a safe space.[/quote] You don't know the definition of a safe space then[/quote] Microagression much? You have no respect for marginalized communities and can't recognize your own privilege.[/quote] You literally don't understand a term and rather then learning are going to double down on it? Cringe. A safe space is where specific things that trigger members are excluded, seeing as sbmm literally excludes bad players from all good ones it is a perfect fit. So how's your example of cbmm being a safe space work? Oh wait it doesn't since cbmm excludes no one from interacting with anyone else....so much for your attempt[/quote] No, friend. You don't understand the concept of safe space and privilege as you have so painfully stated. Status quo protects the so called highly skilled from being matched with equals or higher skilled. If the low skilled can match with those far above with regularity then surely the high skilled could match with equals. [quote]A safe space is where specific things that trigger members are excluded,[/quote] Guilty by your own admission. You're a member of the elite ruling establishment out to protect the system that benefits you.

[quote][quote][quote][quote][quote]Pvp right now is a safe space.[/quote] You don't know the definition of a safe space then[/quote] Microagression much? You have no respect for marginalized communities and can't recognize your own privilege.[/quote] You literally don't understand a term and rather then learning are going to double down on it? Cringe. A safe space is where specific things that trigger members are excluded, seeing as sbmm literally excludes bad players from all good ones it is a perfect fit. So how's your example of cbmm being a safe space work? Oh wait it doesn't since cbmm excludes no one from interacting with anyone else....so much for your attempt[/quote] No, friend. You don't understand the concept of safe space and privilege as you have so painfully stated.[/quote]  a place (as on a college campus) intended to be free of bias, conflict, criticism, or potentially threatening actions, ideas, or conversations Sbmm is a safe space from good players that provides 100% exclusiom from them. The same cannot be said for cbmm. [quote]Status quo protects the so called highly skilled from being matched with equals or higher skilled. If the low skilled can match with those far above with regularity then surely the high skilled could match with equals.[/quote] Status que does no such thing, cbmm matches everyone with each other, a high skill player has the same chance at matching his peer as anyone else does of matching his peer. There is no safe space under cbmm because there are no exclusions. Everyone plays each other. [quote][quote]A safe space is where specific things that trigger members are excluded,[/quote] Guilty by your own admission. You're a member of the elite ruling establishment out to protect the system that benefits you.[/quote] False accusations considering I have a 0.9kd but nice try.

[quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote]Pvp right now is a safe space.[/quote] You don't know the definition of a safe space then[/quote] Microagression much? You have no respect for marginalized communities and can't recognize your own privilege.[/quote] You literally don't understand a term and rather then learning are going to double down on it? Cringe. A safe space is where specific things that trigger members are excluded, seeing as sbmm literally excludes bad players from all good ones it is a perfect fit. So how's your example of cbmm being a safe space work? Oh wait it doesn't since cbmm excludes no one from interacting with anyone else....so much for your attempt[/quote] No, friend. You don't understand the concept of safe space and privilege as you have so painfully stated.[/quote]  a place (as on a college campus) intended to be free of bias, conflict, criticism, or potentially threatening actions, ideas, or conversations Sbmm is a safe space from good players that provides 100% exclusiom from them. The same cannot be said for cbmm. [quote]Status quo protects the so called highly skilled from being matched with equals or higher skilled. If the low skilled can match with those far above with regularity then surely the high skilled could match with equals.[/quote] Status que does no such thing, cbmm matches everyone with each other, a high skill player has the same chance at matching his peer as anyone else does of matching his peer. There is no safe space under cbmm because there are no exclusions. Everyone plays each other. [quote][quote]A safe space is where specific things that trigger members are excluded,[/quote] Guilty by your own admission. You're a member of the elite ruling establishment out to protect the system that benefits you.[/quote] False accusations considering I have a 0.9kd but nice try.[/quote] Despite your numerous spelling errors I read your passage. You're going in circles now. [quote]a high skill player has the same chance at matching his peer as anyone else does of matching his peer.[/quote] Clearly you have no idea of statistics. The playerbase is [b]not a perfect normal distribution.[/b] The 1% play more than anyone else, for example. Thusly, there's a greater than 99% chance for the 1% to match with lower skilled opponents now. By your own definition a safe space. Again, guilty by your own admission. Are we not to believe your own words? Please keep bumping the op's popular thread.

[quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote]Pvp right now is a safe space.[/quote] You don't know the definition of a safe space then[/quote] Microagression much? You have no respect for marginalized communities and can't recognize your own privilege.[/quote] You literally don't understand a term and rather then learning are going to double down on it? Cringe. A safe space is where specific things that trigger members are excluded, seeing as sbmm literally excludes bad players from all good ones it is a perfect fit. So how's your example of cbmm being a safe space work? Oh wait it doesn't since cbmm excludes no one from interacting with anyone else....so much for your attempt[/quote] No, friend. You don't understand the concept of safe space and privilege as you have so painfully stated.[/quote]  a place (as on a college campus) intended to be free of bias, conflict, criticism, or potentially threatening actions, ideas, or conversations Sbmm is a safe space from good players that provides 100% exclusiom from them. The same cannot be said for cbmm. [quote]Status quo protects the so called highly skilled from being matched with equals or higher skilled. If the low skilled can match with those far above with regularity then surely the high skilled could match with equals.[/quote] Status que does no such thing, cbmm matches everyone with each other, a high skill player has the same chance at matching his peer as anyone else does of matching his peer. There is no safe space under cbmm because there are no exclusions. Everyone plays each other. [quote][quote]A safe space is where specific things that trigger members are excluded,[/quote] Guilty by your own admission. You're a member of the elite ruling establishment out to protect the system that benefits you.[/quote] False accusations considering I have a 0.9kd but nice try.[/quote] Despite your numerous spelling errors I read your passage. You're going in circles now.[/quote] So you read it but continued to claim I'm part of the "elite ruling establishment out there to protect the system that benefits you"? So you're plain dumb then? Lmao at talking about Grammer on a video game forum btw [quote][quote]a high skill player has the same chance at matching his peer as anyone else does of matching his peer.[/quote] Clearly you have no idea of statistics. The playerbase is [b]not a perfect normal distribution.[/b] The 1% play more than anyone else, for example. Thusly, there's a greater than 99% chance for the 1% to match with lower skilled opponents now. By your own definition a safe space. Again, guilty by your own admission. Are we not to believe your own words? Please keep bumping the op's popular thread.[/quote] You literally don't know what safe space is despite me literally giving you the definition. It doesn't matter how low or high the chance is in cbmm for good players to match other good players - for something to be a safe space it must be [u]full exclusion[/u], a safe space from males for example refuses access to [b]all males[/b] - seeing that bad players under sbmm offers [u]full exclusion[/u] from good players the term fits it perfectly. Seeing as cbmm offers no such full exclusion to anyone it totally falls apart. How you're even trying to argue otherwise it's hilarious, you are ignoring the definition of the term and trying to create your own - it's not gonna work.

[quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote]Pvp right now is a safe space.[/quote] You don't know the definition of a safe space then[/quote] Microagression much? You have no respect for marginalized communities and can't recognize your own privilege.[/quote] You literally don't understand a term and rather then learning are going to double down on it? Cringe. A safe space is where specific things that trigger members are excluded, seeing as sbmm literally excludes bad players from all good ones it is a perfect fit. So how's your example of cbmm being a safe space work? Oh wait it doesn't since cbmm excludes no one from interacting with anyone else....so much for your attempt[/quote] No, friend. You don't understand the concept of safe space and privilege as you have so painfully stated.[/quote]  a place (as on a college campus) intended to be free of bias, conflict, criticism, or potentially threatening actions, ideas, or conversations Sbmm is a safe space from good players that provides 100% exclusiom from them. The same cannot be said for cbmm. [quote]Status quo protects the so called highly skilled from being matched with equals or higher skilled. If the low skilled can match with those far above with regularity then surely the high skilled could match with equals.[/quote] Status que does no such thing, cbmm matches everyone with each other, a high skill player has the same chance at matching his peer as anyone else does of matching his peer. There is no safe space under cbmm because there are no exclusions. Everyone plays each other. [quote][quote]A safe space is where specific things that trigger members are excluded,[/quote] Guilty by your own admission. You're a member of the elite ruling establishment out to protect the system that benefits you.[/quote] False accusations considering I have a 0.9kd but nice try.[/quote] Despite your numerous spelling errors I read your passage. You're going in circles now.[/quote] So you read it but continued to claim I'm part of the "elite ruling establishment out there to protect the system that benefits you"? So you're plain dumb then? Lmao at talking about Grammer on a video game forum btw [quote][quote]a high skill player has the same chance at matching his peer as anyone else does of matching his peer.[/quote] Clearly you have no idea of statistics. The playerbase is [b]not a perfect normal distribution.[/b] The 1% play more than anyone else, for example. Thusly, there's a greater than 99% chance for the 1% to match with lower skilled opponents now. By your own definition a safe space. Again, guilty by your own admission. Are we not to believe your own words? Please keep bumping the op's popular thread.[/quote] You literally don't know what safe space is despite me literally giving you the definition. It doesn't matter how low or high the chance is in cbmm for good players to match other good players - for something to be a safe space it must be [u]full exclusion[/u], a safe space from males for example refuses access to [b]all males[/b] - seeing that bad players under sbmm offers [u]full exclusion[/u] from good players the term fits it perfectly. Seeing as cbmm offers no such full exclusion to anyone it totally falls apart. How you're even trying to argue otherwise it's hilarious, you are ignoring the definition of the term and trying to create your own - it's not gonna work.[/quote] I'm glad to see you thought for 8 hours to plan your reply. No dice though. Feelings don't outweigh mathematical reality.

[quote]I'm glad to see you thought for 8 hours to plan your reply.[/quote] Breaking news: humans need sleep! [quote]No dice though. Feelings don't outweigh mathematical reality.[/quote] Mathematical reality has no relation to the term I literally handfed you the description of. You realize other people are reading this right? And that they'll literally see you denying the reality of the term safe space and trying to put your own spin on it? The fact that sbmm is a complete and total 100% removal of bad players from good ones makes it a safe space. The fact that cbmm offers no such guarantees makes it impossible to be a safe space. Everyone acknowledges that unless they're delusional.

[quote]So you're plain dumb then? Lmao at talking about Grammer on a video game forum btw[/quote] The fact you engaged in ad hominem, attacking my character rather than a position or argument, undermines your central premise. The fact you can't be concerned with Grammar further undermines your premise. Friend, I do truly hope everyone reads this. By all means continue telling me how I'm "just plain dumb"

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