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Edited by Best Friend: 1/31/2023 4:38:44 PM
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Please Make "Freelance Trials of Osiris" a Permanent Playlist

Hey, thanks for making a great game that I would want to take the time to provide any feedback on. Destiny 2 is awesome. Thanks. Trials of Osiris is very competitive, and I like that the game has a high goal of being able to do well in something like Trials of Osiris. I am not able to schedule time to play any video games, really. The time that I do spend playing video games, including Destiny, is unscheduled time where I am taking a break or something. This is the nature of any time that I spend playing video games. For Trials of Osiris, it is difficult to do well, unless you join up with a team of three. Where three people are involved in protecting each other, ganging up on a single enemy, or otherwise coordinating efforts, communication is almost necessary to do well against an opposing team. When joining Trials of Osiris alone, usually you are paired with other people who have joined alone. Sometimes you will be a part of a team where two people joined your team together, but that is rare compared to being teamed up with people who have joined alone. Usually when people join Trials of Osiris alone, they do not use their microphones. More than not using their microphones, it is also something that happens that people do not attempt to coordinate efforts with the rest of the team at all, making any semblance of "team play" dependent on you accommodating what your teammates might have in mind. This can work out sometimes, but usually, if the other team is doing as much as using their microphones, the other team will out-coordinate your team, and win. Trials of Osiris is also interesting because losing games becomes a vicious cycle. You can try to find teammates willing to join up and communicate using the "Find Fireteam" tool on Bungie.net, but unless you have a doctorate degree in Destiny, most people are not interested in joining up with you. Most people are willing to join up with you, based on your kill-to-death ratio, a statistic available on Trials Report (trials.report). You can hold your own, and keep your kd high, even in games that you are losing, but if you have ever tried to join Trials of Osiris alone, you know that it can be common where everyone on your team ends with like a .2 kd, lowering your "marketability" to the looking-for-group ("lfg") community on bungie.net. However, anytime the Freelance Trials of Osiris playlist is available, the playing field is leveled for people like me, who may only be able to incidentally join into playing Destiny at all, rather than scheduling out a chunk of time to play Destiny, or to sit down for a continuous chunk of time to hammer out an entire card with an "lfg" team. Everyone joining the Freelance Trials of Osiris playlist has the same chance of ending up with teammates who aren't using their mics at the moment, or who don't coordinate with a team--probably all things that I have been guilty of, I don't claim to be invincible at the game, and overall, the playing field is leveled. I am able to join for single games instead of needing to join for an entire chunk of time. I am subject to the same conditions of teammates as everyone else, and still, the chance at getting adept weapons, and going flawless is something that is within reach. I am still able to participate in Trials of Osiris and have it be a fun, competitive thing, instead of spending hours (in total) looking for groups on the Find Fireteam tool on Bungie.net, or getting whomped because a new player has joined onto my team or something. I have probably been that "new player" more than once, but having the Freelance Trials of Osiris playlist permanently available would make Trials of Osiris much more accessible for me, as someone who is not always able--for time, for lining up schedules with people who I know play the game well, or being able to get "lfg" teammates because of the raw metrics of sites like Trials Report (trials.report)--to consistently find teammates to play well in the standard Trials of Osiris playlist. None of these things are issues when the Freelance Trials of Osiris playlist is active, which is why I wanted to ask if there was any way that the Freelance playlist could just always remain active? I get that there might be other reasons that I am not thinking about as to why you wouldn't just have the playlist active all of the time, but I know that for me, I am not aware of those reasons, and know that having the playlist active would be a fun removal of factors that can complicate Trials of Osiris for me. Thanks, and again, thanks for a great game. The game is great whether or not you implement this change. Thanks Edit: In response to "freelance goes contrary to Bungie's vision of team play, so they'll remove it, or won't make it permanent." For something like freelance, you still have a large chance of joining up with someone who is new to the game, and working on progressing--like we all are. When you join with a team, you have full control over who you are on a team with, so the incentives still would naturally make it a better choice to play as a team instead of playing the freelance playlist. At least for someone like me, who can't regularly schedule playing Destiny into my schedule, can't find lfg teammates because I don't have a 10.0 kd when I am able to play, and would be able to afford smaller chunks of time than a full trials card, everyone would be subject to the same chance of getting teammates who are still figuring some things out, and my only way to fully participate in the end-game content is not against career gamers. Rather than ostracizing people who have more going on in their lives than Destiny--which I hope would be everyone, I think the game would only benefit from leaving this way of playing Destiny accessible to people like me, and to open this "way of playing Destiny" up permanently. We will join the team stuff as we are able. I think a large subset of players would be ostracized by removing the option, though, creating more of a "rich-get-richer" situation. We'll have to see what they do.

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  • freelance is leaving all modes.

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    • I honestly wouldn’t even attempt trials even if freelance was permanent. I pretty much gave up every and all hope of ever competing after watching a stream. Never played it. Probably never will, and no change to the game mode will be enough to make me even consider playing it. Record will probably remain 0 permanently.

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    • So this will not happen. Because Bungie wants to build games with vibrant communities. A freelance mode for a game intended as team exercise event runs counter to that.

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      • Fireteam base matchmaking will be tested and implemented across all modes removing the need for freelance

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          Sorry to tell you but Bungie said they’re removing freelance completely and adding Fireteam based match making. As you can see with iron banner today there is no more freelance.

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        • Psst... Look at iron banner... Freelance will be going away for all

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        • Im not gonna even waste my time reading that mountain of text. Trials was and always will be a team based gamemode. They dont need to waste resources supporting a solo queue version

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        • I don’t think they want too. They always removed freelance iron banner.

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        • Great posts this all depend on the identity of trials and bungie hasn’t made a statement about it.. there looking into Fireteam matchmaking but the rewards are ladder based this means playing solo especially later in the card will always be in your disadvantage. Hope this helps your post

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        • I didn't read your mountain of text but a few TWABs ago Bungie said they are trying to move away from freelance and move to better match making system that favors pitting pre-made teams against each other. So I wouldn't expect solo queue to ever be permanent, because it sounds like it might not even be occasional soon. My guess is with the numbers in constant decline, basically since the mode came back out, they aren't going to have enough players to keep offering it. Same with Gambit. Expect to see solo queue Gambit removed too. This season took forever to find solo queue matches and some days I just went into the regular version given I wasn't looking to win anyways.

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          • you pressed the logic button, you shouldn't have did that

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