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12/18/2023 7:02:58 PM
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"Black Armory" do You want it back? M2, speak out - Shinning the light on the Masterpiece

Hello everyone :) Please try to stay positive in the comments this topic is very dear to me [quote]I'm a mother to a beautiful daughter. A daughter who talks to people who aren't actually there. Normal kid stuff, sure. Reminds me of my own childhood. -The Black Armory Papers, Entry 10[/quote] kind of like me writing this to You or anyone interacting with anyone on the internet [b]Entry 25, The Black Armory Papers[/b] [quote]We are not alone with the Traveler. Something else has been detected out there. An anomaly of sorts. I'm lucky to have friends in informative places who tell me these things. They don't know what it is. But there is something. Could be another Traveler. Could just be a wonky radio wave. Or could be something really bad. On the off chance it IS something to be concerned about, shouldn't we be prepared to deal with it head-on before it arrives? But how are we supposed to do that when the means to defend ourselves are not in the people's hands anymore? Don't get me wrong, it's not like I don't understand those decisions. They make sense, but… Having a child changes your perspective on life. I won't feel comfortable unless I am the one doing something to protect my family. I can't be the only one. No more sitting around thinking someone or something else will do it for us. I will handle it. And I won't do it alone. I know just the right people who would appreciate the opportunity to be a part of something like this. Something that the "powers that be" would never sanction. But like I've said in the past, we don't know what else is out there in the universe. What we, or our children, or our children's children might have to face one day. We will be prepared.[/quote] _________________________________________________________________________________ Why do we not have the weapons that were created for the coming of collapse right as the second collapse is about to happen? You created a piece of soulful content and left shards of it in the game. We as community need more soul in this game not less. Its not just about loot and gameplay. Its about music, art, character background, the riddles, the mystery. I'm sure you know those things so still why was it removed? [quote]"When the darkness sought out destruction of all things, the Black Armory persevered. Remember this, Guardian" - Ada-1[/quote] And what do we actually have? It just looks like you removed a soul here with removal of the forges and weapons. I know not everyone loved the activity but most loved the weapons. I see a bigger picture here with black armory as a overall masterpiece. The only thing that takes away from that masterpiece is the fact that you half removed it. It should have stayed. It was one of your best if not the best pieces you ever added into the game. [i]Le Temps des Cerises[/i] Ada used to sing this song which is about impermanence of happiness that it comes and goes and will come back. Will it? To be honest I'm only writing this because I'm afraid content I loved is gone forever or will come back in some cheap form of buying the weapons for a seasonal engram. That would be the last nail in the coffin for me. It was never confirmed that Ada's mother died. You could lead from that somehow. Or the other families lineage. [quote]"The Black Armory predates this city, I'll have you know." - Ada-1 "Some of your allies have made use of our wares in the past, but they had been sworn to secrecy" - Ada-1 [/quote] The story is there. We're allied with so many alien races as of now we should be able to get some information about where the forges went. We know from lore that they were not destroyed, they were taken. Maybe for protection. The story is there. Here are some of the soulful quotes added with Black Armory as a reminder: [quote][i]The wandering soul seeks an answer, only to find a path leading through a fog of uncertainty[/i]. -secret emblem [i]The earth is weary. What has no future perceives No path, just chaos[/i]. -secret emblem [i]There is one path forward, and we must pave it ourselves[/i]. -secret emblem [i]Never forget who you are[/i]. - Written in French on the forge radiance that you could apply to your forged Black Armory weapons to grant them additional look and make them deal more damage during forges[/quote] I'm just scratching the surface here there's much more beauty on pretty much every armor piece, weapon description, sparrows, ships and exotics that came out during season of the forge. Its fantastic. I mean come on, its a story of three woman coming together from different backgrounds standing up against the impossible and succeeding. Only for all of them to die and their daughter becomes paint/ornament seller. Its really depressing to know what I know and feel like there's no hope for Ada-1 cause she's been ignored and mistreated for years now. That's the picture YOU as devs painted. Not to mention that the lore clearly specifies that Ada-1 herself is a living forge, and we do not get anything out of this fact. So all in all it would be neat to get some Black Armory content ITS BEEN OVER 5 YEARS as of now since the release of it, would be nice to get a proper update. How many more years need to pass? I sincerely encourage all of You to read The Black Armory Papers I hope you have a good day :)

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  • Edited by NerfPaladins06: 12/19/2023 5:37:37 PM
    Weapons, yes Forges, no Ada should let us focus them.

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    • Edited by ACROCANTHUS: 12/23/2023 6:44:51 AM
      The only 2 armory weapons I care about are the scout and shotgun from the raid. I could take the raid coming back and having the popular armory weapons.

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    • Yes I very much enjoyed The forge activities in their weapons. It kind of took me back to the good old days of Prison of Elders and D1

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    • Would be cool to bring black rmory back to the story, but I honestly just want the weapons reprised, ideally as a craftable set. Hammerhead and kindled orchid in particular

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        Bring back the raids and the weapons, forges can stay in the vault

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      • Like a lot of things in this game, Black Armory is often looked back at with Rose-Colored glasses. The lore and the weapons are great. The raid was a solid entry but not the best we’ve ever had. The gameplay and investment for Forge was terrible. The forges were cool for about a week. The entire activity has about the gameplay of a public event but for about 7-8 minutes. Loot drops were extremely inconsistent unless all 3 players were actually competent. 1/2 the season’s loot pool was locked behind “rare-drops” as reprised weapons at the end of forges that couldn’t be targeted and had a painfully low drop chance. This doesn’t even mention the Naiobi labs puzzle that like all Destiny puzzles was realistically done by about 100 people but was for some reason more beloved than the rest… Do I want the guns back? 100%. Do I feel the need to have everything from Black Armory back? Nope. But I definitely think there are plot lines to explore still and could easily be turned into a great new season.

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      • Black armory side arm is my favorite.

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      • I want that 450 Solar suros sidearm the Deadman walking D42X75 back

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      • Well the armor wasn't bad, shader is good and it had a good pulse rifle

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      • It's all but confirmed that Ada's black armoury guns & st14s weapon set, forget the name, are coming in episodes that feature their storylines. Bungies attempt at keeping people invested after final shape

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        • As the sun rises on the great sunsetting of Destiny 2 I weep…. I weep as weapons come back….as reissues with new and enjoyable perks and origin traits… I weep because many of those weapons reside in my vault… So as reissues make their way back into Destiny the enjoyment of chasing them erodes as it is bittersweet…

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          • Since they simply sunset all the godrolls i already farmed hundreds of hours for, no i don't. Already had to grind for the EXACT SAME weapon rolls for enough year 2 seasonal weapons that simply got sunset because some streamers wanted more content. Done with this scummy practice of reusing old stuff they took from us prior as "content".

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            • Sadly, none of Ada's past matters to Bungie. Her faith is to be second fiddle to Tess. Just like Amanda before they killed her off.

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              • Like everything else in this game, the conception was far cooler than its execution. All the lore around the Black Armoury, most of the weapons...well, at least some of them...were fun to use and excellent tools for a while. It presaged The Witness as so much else did in bits and pieces. But the repetitiveness of the actual forges grated. And that's the story of Destiny 2 after vanilla. Bungie hit on a pretty good idea and just keep hitting that drum. And it drones on and on, the same beat. And then they extended that beat out to seasons. Always more of the same pattern of activities. If people complain about the monotony, Bungie double down and crank up the difficulty, but it always felt artificially inflated. There was no value added. The story could be great if presented cohesively and coherently. Everything is there, if only they could have stitched it together better, but they had to drag it out over a longer stretch of time than it probably should have. Ten years for a franchise story was ambitious, perhaps a little too ambitious for Bungie in its forms over that span of time. I've said it many times, we (or I) expected a space opera and got shadow play. Perhaps I should have tempered my expectations. That's on me. All we can do is take the game as it is, not as we wished it could have been, or even could still be, and decide if we wish to continue. The jury is still out for me, but I'm leaning toward not putting another dime into this game after years of buying collector's editions. I've been here since D1 Beta when I formed my clan. I've wanted to see how the story unfolds, how it ends. Now, I'm just trying to make it to the end.

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                • I never had the heart to crush my Blast Furnace. It is still the best primary pulse and it’s not even close. Over 80k kills with my Rampage/Feeding Frenzy.

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                  • We will probably never get Black Armory back because Bungie didn’t make it. Back when Activision had control of Bungie they hired Vicarious Visions to work on season of the Forge (Black Armory) and season of Opulence (Menagerie). That’s right, the community’s favorite parts of the game weren’t even developed by Bungie. The community has been calling for Black Armory to come back since it was sunset for reasons (?) Funny how those weapons were sunset when they were not meta driving in the least. The game has seen pretty terrible lows in last couple years and an easy dub would be to bring back Black Armory weapons. Don’t believe the lies they tell you about weapon making being complicated. Many Bungie devs have said that guns are two files tied together, a gun (art) model and a gun file with stats and traits and perks. Making new archetypes is hard but cloning another 450 rpm auto is a piece of cake. Oh look we have perfectly working gun models that have been updated for next gen in Black Armory weapons. Don’t believe me? How are we on our third version of the Summoner so fast? The fact of the matter is is that Bungie execs and devs are extremely egotistical. Recent interviews from laid of devs have shown a toxic blend of egoism and hubris leading the company. They got their feelings hurt that Black Armory was such a success and been pined for for years and it’s not their creation. Remember Niobe labs being “too hard” and they opened the final forge in a matter of hours? But it’s ok for the community to learn a new alphabet for a day one raid in VoD? The fact is that Black Armory and its weapons will never return because it reminds Bungie that the best parts of their game, the parts that the community has been asking for to return since it left wasn’t made by them.

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                    • I’m not fussed either way. Would play them for a bit if they returned but not bothered if they don’t

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                    • I want nothing old to return. This mindset negatively impacted Destiny 2. So many of you want old stuff to return and it literally showed Bungie that its alright to abuse it.

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                    • If they bring it back I'd like the Forges to remain mostly as they were functionally, but I'd like the Bounty vendor to exist within the Forge space and for any Forge to be able to forge any weapon. I remember the biggest issue I had back then was load times because every bounty I finished meant I had to fly back to the Tower, run to the back of the tower to buy a bounties from Ada-1 (The Annex didn't exist yet) and then fly back to either Nessus or the EDZ and run all the back to the Forge. Bounty Vendors at the Forge site would be a huge quality of life update to otherwise already great and rewarding content

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                    • Erm no thank you.

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                    • Strobe lights blind.

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                    • Meh. I'd just like the LMG back tbh.

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                    • I’m one of the few people who actually enjoyed season of the forge. But then again I had a masterworked Rat King. Made all the difference in the world.

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                      • I’d love the weapons back, and some story around Ada. But I think the forges should stay in the dcv, I found them kinda boring:/ I’d prefer something new

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                        • While we are at it, let's also bring back the Scourge of The Past raid (and the other 4 raids we lost). I still have all my Black Armory & Scourge weapons in my vault, including my kill clip/rampage Kindled Orchid. I cant bring myself to delete weapons that I'll never see again, & my vault is suffering because of it. Same thing with my Saint 14/Sundial weapons. My dream fix for the vault space issue would be to let us overwrite the roll in collections with whatever god roll we have, so we could then pull it out whenever we want. But I suppose that would be the same thing as adding 1,200 more spaces to our vault technically, which would require money be spent by Bungie (fat chance). Screw it, just bring on Destiny 3 at this point LOL

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                          • Yes and the Ability to Upgrade My Black Armory Weapons

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