That's not what he said And that you take offense towards a made up narrative that nobody in this thread was talking about before you should tell you something about yourself

[quote]That's not what he said And that you take offense towards a made up narrative that nobody in this thread was talking about before you should tell you something about yourself[/quote] It is exactly what OP said. OP was very general in his terms and there is no other way to interpret his comments. “…without a platform for these whingers and poisonous personalities to vent on” This is a Bungie apologist post stating that we shouldn’t complain about anything because it’s only toxic people who whinge and complain. Why is OP a Bungie apologist, I hear you ask? Simple, OP’s advocating for the removal of the majority of the forums so we can’t complain about the ridiculous changes Bungie implements. Ergo OP thinks there is nothing to complain about within the game and thus OP is an apologist. I also would go further and state that without these forums “venting”, the Into the Light weapons would be much more severely timegated. So OP is also a fool.

Hearing vague general complaints and assuming that it's directed at you is a sign of insecurity. OP could just as easily be annoyed at the people who actively go out of their way to attack others who they think are "in the wrong" over this video game, which, news flash, is nothing of actual substance.

[quote]Hearing vague general complaints and assuming that it's directed at you is a sign of insecurity. OP could just as easily be annoyed at the people who actively go out of their way to attack others who they think are "in the wrong" over this video game, which, news flash, is nothing of actual substance.[/quote] No, OP directly stated whingers AND poisonous personalities. So both types of people. Those that complain about the game and those that attack others about their opinions. Or those that complain who are also toxic to Bungie about it. Either way he’s trying to shut down the ability to state an opinion about a product we paid for. So he must think the game is perfect. Which it isn’t. Therefore he’s an apologist or just another toxic person on these forums. As for saying the game is “nothing of actual substance”? What exactly are you trying to do here? Display your hypocrisy? You’ve already disproven your statement that the game or commentating on it is “nothing of substance” by actually commenting on this post twice. 🤣. Probably three times, when you post another reply to this, further disproving your point. As for the snide remark about “insecurity”, you’re just being supercilious. Those that are arrogant often have some feelings of insecurity.

I don't know how to tell you this but you're extrapolating things that nobody has ever said from what they're saying. Probably in an attempt to tear down the strawman. Whiners doesn't by necessity mean "people that just take issue with the way that bungie runs the game." Whining is something specific. Whining is throwing pointless complaints in a way that nobody wants to hear or listen to. Me talking about a subject doesn't mean it's of substance. I have an opinion on the way that our community treats other people within our community. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter, but I do have personal investment in that. I am capable of addressing that humanely and in a way that doesn't personally attack the people I am speaking to. I am capable of going about that in a way that speaks to reason and emotional intelligence, rather than a child crying because someone took their toys away. These are the things that whiners do not have. They come here throwing pointless negativity, without constructive value. The reason I say the game is not of substance is because certain people on this forum make arguments as if they're defending their political ideology. It's entertainment. It's not that deep. I'm sure you're capable of seeing the difference between constructive criticism (made with the intent of improving a product and with a tone befitting that goal) and whining (pointlessly negative and essentially only done to vent frustration on people that are neither equipped nor willing to handle it).

Well at least you’re being more civil this time without the snarky remarks, so I’ll behave accordingly. Everything you said up top is irrelevant. The simple fact remains that the OP didn’t make any of the distinctions either of us have used to try to justify our own points of view. OP called for the removal of the forums in its entirety, thus forestalling any further genuine criticism of the game simply because of the [b][u]whingers[/u][/b] and toxic people. I put it to you that constructive criticism, whinging and being toxic is possible in just one post. Therefore just because someone is being toxic or whinging doesn’t necessarily mean they are wrong in what they are complaining about. Whilst we’re on the subject, each of the terms “whinging” and “poisonous personalities” is subjective. For example I think that OP is whinging and being toxic for their stance on removing the forums. So whilst I’m sure you aren’t going to accept my opinion, and frankly I don’t care as you are dead wrong, OP is a Bungie apologist either by intent or by proxy as their demand to remove the forums will prevent the genuine criticism of the game. Whether this is because they love Bungie and feel that they can do no wrong and D2 is perfection personified OR because their individual feelings are hurt about all the whining and unpleasant people here, is neither here nor there.

I get where you're coming from, but the "remove the forum" thing is [i]clearly[/i] tongue and cheek. It's like when people say "just get rid of crucible already". They probably don't actually mean that, but they're exaggerating to a certain degree because they think crucible is responsible for some of the games problems. And to finish off [quote]The simple fact remains that the OP didn’t make any of the distinctions either of us have used to try to justify our own points of view. [/quote] You now admit that your argument doesn't have what it needs to stand on its own. My whole point is that people are making up points that OP never said and then taking offense to them, and you just admitted that there is no way to make the distinction that OP is saying the things that you are arguing that they are trying to say. That's a damning concession.

[quote]OP called for the removal of the forums in its entirety, thus forestalling any further genuine criticism of the game simply because of the [b][u]whingers[/u][/b] and toxic people. So whilst I’m sure you aren’t going to accept my opinion, and frankly I don’t care as you are dead wrong, OP is a Bungie apologist either by intent or by proxy as their demand to remove the forums will prevent the genuine criticism of the game.[/quote] I’ll just reiterate the logical point you keep trying to dismiss. I make no concessions to those that can’t follow a simple logical premise. Talk about scaffolding your own weak point by saying he was “clearly being tongue in cheek.” OP did not represent that in text anywhere in his post. Now who’s reading into the post what they want to see?

You can't go about calling something a logical point when it ignores the human element. People exaggerate. People make jokes. The problem here is a lack of reading comprehension, which shouldn't surprise me since that's a common problem on forums like these.

[quote]You can't go about calling something a logical point when it ignores the human element. People exaggerate. People make jokes. The problem here is a lack of reading comprehension, which shouldn't surprise me since that's a common problem on forums like these.[/quote] You can’t go about explaining your point on a lack of comprehension. People interpret text differently There are no emojis to indicate that OP is exaggerating or joking. I take what people type at face value, and if they sound like they are talking out of their rear end then they are taking out of their rear end. Speaking of which …