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I simply do not understand this take. I understand if you don’t find the content fun. “Fun” is a subjective experience. But to complain about the loot is just the very epitome of spoiled. It feels like this game has become a chore for so many. Every activity is a giant chore to get loot. If it’s such a chore, why are you still playing!? I’m simply enjoying onslaught and happy with my rewards . When I get a shiny weapon, I get excited. I’m not feverishly grinding for “god rolls” (idiotic concept, if you ask me). I’m simply having fun and taking the loot—which is plentiful between the guaranteed drops, purchases with trophies, and rewards from bounties. I’ve predominantly played normal runs, going as far as I can, and have received plenty of “shiny” and solid rolls. Yalll complain way too much.
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    You do realize this is a looter shooter. The entire embodiment of this game is to farm activities over and over for god rolls. To get the set of perfect rolls on the weapon you like. And you call it an idiotic concept except it's the entire point of the game. With that mentality, they would only give you one curated set of rolls for every weapon in the game and never drop any duplicates. If you're not into grinding the same activities over and over for the perfect weapon, I'm assuming you're more of a battle royale Fortnite guy who just wants to drop in, find weapons, get kills, get killed - repeat. [quote]I’ve predominantly played normal runs, going as far as I can, and have received plenty of “shiny” and solid rolls.[/quote] This is just another, [i]everything is fine for me, so everything is fine[/i] concept. It's a selfish and poor way of thinking. Bungie could announce that they are revamping nightfalls and removing every single strike in the game except one and tell you that you'll just have to play only that one until the next expansion and you would have the mentality to believe that it's okay. The moment one person speaks up, you're probably right there to knock them back down and then go back to playing that one strike all year long. Wake up, man.

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  • Edited by The Legend Himself: GONZO: 4/18/2024 8:03:32 PM
    [quote]You do realize this is a looter shooter. The entire embodiment of this game is to farm activities over and over for god rolls. To get the set of perfect rolls on the weapon you like. And you call it an idiotic concept except it's the entire point of the game. With that mentality, they would only give you one curated set of rolls for every weapon in the game and never drop any duplicates. If you're not into grinding the same activities over and over for the perfect weapon, I'm assuming you're more of a battle royale Fortnite guy who just wants to drop in, find weapons, get kills, get killed - repeat. [quote]I’ve predominantly played normal runs, going as far as I can, and have received plenty of “shiny” and solid rolls.[/quote] This is just another, [i]everything is fine for me, so everything is fine[/i] concept. It's a selfish and poor way of thinking. Bungie could announce that they are revamping nightfalls and removing every single strike in the game except one and tell you that you'll just have to play only that one until the next expansion and you would have the mentality to believe that it's okay. The moment one person speaks up, you're probably right there to knock them back down and then go back to playing that one strike all year long. Wake up, man.[/quote] Another person presuming to know things about me that they clearly don’t. 1. Calling it a “looter shooter,” which I agree that it is, adds nothing to this conversation. More than anything, however, it’s predominantly an [i]RNG[/i] looter shooter. If your enjoyment of this game is predicated on whether or not you get the exact loot you’re after, then be prepared to be disappointed often. I think y’all have become obsessed with the feverish pursuit of “god rolls” which is an idiotic concept because there’s no such thing as a “god roll”. Most weapons have a multitude of excellent rolls for a myriad of different reasons (DPS, add clear, class synergy, versatility, ease-of-use, etc.). 2. My objections to the OP are not based on whether or not I’ve received what I’m after (I haven’t, BTW) but, rather, on the quantity of loot that drops for everyone. I find the current loot system to be perfectly adequate and consistent with Bungie’s recent loot philosophy. Granted, I too would love [i]more[/i] loot but I will not let my desire corrupt my ability to remain objective. Don’t presume to know my intentions or feelings.

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  • Edited by Ferus Lux: 4/18/2024 11:34:58 AM
    Alot of these posts from many players seem to be about instant gratification. They want what they want immediately with minimal farming which is a part of these kinds of games. Not sure what you're on about as far as the strike that's a bit overdramatic to help your narrative but sure, go off.

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    You edited your post to add an immature comment, nice. If you can't see the comparison, then I'm not sure what to tell you. It was a way to explain how they are telling everyone to relax and to just be happy when something is wrong or bad in the game. They are enjoying whatever Bungie delivers whether it's good or bad, living in an entirely different world while everyone else is unhappy. It's a good mindset but not everyone thinks the same or feels the same as him and many people are not happy, the majority actually - which is the point of this forum. To share our opinions and give feedback. Most if not all positive changes in this game were made because players spoke up and brought it to Bungie's attention. How can we help improve the game if we never give criticism?

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  • [quote]You edited your post to add an immature comment, nice. If you can't see the comparison, then I'm not sure what to tell you. It was a way to explain how they are telling everyone to relax and to just be happy when something is wrong or bad in the game. They are enjoying whatever Bungie delivers whether it's good or bad, living in an entirely different world while everyone else is unhappy. It's a good mindset but not everyone thinks the same or feels the same as him and many people are not happy, the majority actually - which is the point of this forum. To share our opinions and give feedback. Most if not all positive changes in this game were made because players spoke up and brought it to Bungie's attention. How can we help improve the game if we never give criticism?[/quote] The argument that Onslaught is unrewarding or not rewarding enough is a personal feeling. You’re perfectly free to feel that way but you should at least be willing to explain why you feel that way other than “I’m not getting what I want as fast as I want to get it.” Instead, try asking relevant questions: How does Onslaught compare to other similar activities? Is the most coveted loot diluted by a sea of undesirables (mediocre weapons and/or armor)? Is the activity the loot is in even fun? Etc. I don’t object to genuine grievances. I have had my fair share of complaints in these very forums about a multitude of things that I found to be inadequate. What we have is a difference of opinion on what counts as “adequate loot.” Also, I believe your opinion is being colored by your “god roll” perspective. I’m not attacking you or presuming to know things about you that I don’t. I’m simply disagreeing with your argument. However, unlike most people, I’m a persuadable person. If you present a strong argument for why Onslaught’s loot system is inadequate, devoid of your personal desires, then I’ll happily concede.

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  • [quote]You edited your post to add an immature comment, nice. If you can't see the comparison, then I'm not sure what to tell you. It was a way to explain how they are telling everyone to relax and to just be happy when something is wrong or bad in the game. They are enjoying whatever Bungie delivers whether it's good or bad, living in an entirely different world while everyone else is unhappy. It's a good mindset but not everyone thinks the same or feels the same as him and many people are not happy, the majority actually - which is the point of this forum. To share our opinions and give feedback. Most if not all positive changes in this game were made because players spoke up and brought it to Bungie's attention. How can we help improve the game if we never give criticism?[/quote] Yes I did because I didn't fully process your immature overdramatization and strawman. Gross that you could even think of calling me out when you typed that garbage. There is no valid comparison because for all you know, the person you're accusing of supporting that could've been opposed to that 1 strike all year thing. Stop associating people with unrelated issues because you're upset. That's the definition of immature.

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    Spending over an hour in legend Onslaught for lackluster rewards isn't minimal farming. Running 300-500+ waves of normal Onslaught and not receiving any shiny variants isn't minimal farming. No one is asking for shiny variant drops from every single chest they open. That would be instant gratification. I clearly explained in my reply that this game is all about farming for god rolls, so I understand farming and grinding is part of the game. I've been here since 2014 so I can spot a bad decision a mile away. This has nothing to do with instant gratification. It's about what's deserved and about being respected.

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  • The issue is that you've placed so much importance on the shiny drops that you've actually begun calling the new weapons lack luster because they aren't shiny. Then you say it's about what's deserved and it screams entitlement. They are limited edition. They are meant to be exceedingly rare. Are you going to melt away it you don't get them? I may never get the shiny mountaintop or Elsies Rifle I want and that's okay. Why are people placing such importance on what is basically a shader? The regular versions look great and do the same thing. This is all just...embarrassing if I'm being honest. These takes are nothing more than "give me what I want I don't care how rare it's supposed to be" and I will never take them seriously.

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  • [quote]The issue is that you've placed so much importance on the shiny drops that you've actually begun calling the new weapons lack luster because they aren't shiny. Then you say it's about what's deserved and it screams entitlement. They are limited edition. They are meant to be exceedingly rare. Are you going to melt away it you don't get them? I may never get the shiny mountaintop or Elsies Rifle I want and that's okay. Why are people placing such importance on what is basically a shader? The regular versions look great and do the same thing. This is all just...embarrassing if I'm being honest. These takes are nothing more than "give me what I want I don't care how rare it's supposed to be" and I will never take them seriously.[/quote] Exactly!

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  • Dude the shiny drop are double perked. That's why they're better than the regular versions because you can double dip into to perks. I can get an Envious Bait and Switch Edge Transit, and simply swap to Cascade when I max out Envious to have Envious Cascade and Bait and Switch active all at once. How is that not significantly better???

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  • Edited by Ferus Lux: 4/18/2024 2:06:08 PM
    I already explained this to you before. That's a small convenience and i doubt that Envious switch trick will last bc its not intended. There are other weapons that can't get double perks like Raid weapons or dungeon weapons. You can get 2 of 1 weapon like you've always done. Your little world is not gonna melt by not being able to switch perks. They are functionally the same when the same perks are applied. 6 chests from 3 legend runs which takes 30 minutes. You can have 2 god rolls of that nade Launcher in mere hours and life goes on my brother in light.

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  • Amen.

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  • It makes sense that you don't understand the take because you're not an endgame player. In Trials and in Master Raids, Day 1's, and Low Mans your loadout makes a huge difference. A lot of the people who think Crucible is trash have loadouts that are a hard handicap against them. While there's something to be said for skill most meta loadouts actually assist the player, meaning sometimes the weapon roll was actually better than yours not necessarily their skill. Loot is the driving force of this game, so if the loot is not good either by accessibility or viability then that content is not doing well. I'm not the one who called D2 a "looter shooter" Bungie did, to deny that is deluded

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  • Don’t presume to know things about me that you clearly don’t. I’m not arguing that the weapons are not coveted by all players. Hell, I too would like good rolls of the Brave arsenal. I’m arguing against the notion that Onslaught, as a game mode, is unrewarding. It’s actually quite the opposite. It only [i]feels[/i] unrewarding to you because, evidently, you view Onslaught as a chore; a means to an end. But it’s not a reasonable stance.

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  • Edited by Gemini Trash: 4/17/2024 7:58:02 PM
    I didn't presume anything I looked at your stats. You don't do Master Raids, and you do anything in Trials. Everything under those activities are pretty easy for the most part, and those activities are where your loadouts matter the most. My reply wasn't a callout. I understand these are team based activities and some people may be shy or want to preserve their peace from any potential duds they may bump into, but you're definitely more casual from my perspective Also I made the comparison between Onslaught and Coil specifically to show how unrewarding it is. Coil is easier and in most cases quicker, and offers double the loot. Onslaught is an unrewarding activity because of the time and effort it demands as well as it's lack of vendor resetting and focusing

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  • Edited by The Legend Himself: GONZO: 4/17/2024 8:04:35 PM
    [quote]I didn't presume anything I looked at your stats. You don't do Master Raids, and you do anything in Trials. Everything under those activities are pretty easy for the most part, and those activities are where your loadouts matter the most. My reply wasn't a callout. I understand these are team based activities and some people may be shy or want to preserve their peace from any potential duds they may bump into, but you're definitely more casual from my perspective[/quote] If you’re drawing a comparison, I’m willing to accept that I’m more “casual” than you (though I haven’t looked at your stats) but I’ve completed all but 1 Raid, Every Dungeon, Multiple Conquerers guilds, gone Flawless, etc. I assure you that I know the difference between an optional load-out and a sub-optimal one. The argument isn’t whether or not load-outs matter in “end-game content” but, rather, whether or not the loot in Onslaught is [i]reasonable[/i]. I’m arguing that it is and that your perspective is being colored by the fact that you view Onslaught as an un-fun chore and, as a result, want your “god-rolls” (I still think this is an idiotic concept but that’s a whole other argument) as quickly as possible so you don’t have to play it. This is a [i]you[/i] problem, not a fundamental flaw with Onslaught.

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  • I think what you have is a misconception here. I never said that Onslaught is unfun, I said it was fun, but now the reward system is ruining the content for me. Destiny is a looter shooter, but while I'm doing more than my fair share of shooting I'm not doing very much looting. The fun of the activity is being overshadowed by my frustrations related to these garbage drop rates

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  • Edited by The Legend Himself: GONZO: 4/17/2024 8:41:15 PM
    [quote]I think what you have is a misconception here. I never said that Onslaught is unfun, I said it was fun, but now the reward system is ruining the content for me. Destiny is a looter shooter, but while I'm doing more than my fair share of shooting I'm not doing very much looting. The fun of the activity is being overshadowed by my frustrations related to these garbage drop rates[/quote] Fair enough. I was confused by your opening statement of “it [i]was[/i] fun for five minutes“ (or something to that effect) implying that it no longer is. However, I disagree that the drop rates are “garbage” but at this point we just have a difference of opinion. I think that compared to past activities, Onslaught is both fun and rewarding and is in no way a deviation from what’s been the norm recently. I hope you get your “god rolls” but I think it’s a shame that your desire for “god rolls” is spoiling what should otherwise be a good experience for you. Best wishes.

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  • Edited by Gemini Trash: 4/17/2024 8:47:14 PM
    Yeah we'll just as a disclosure I've been up farming since 7pm yesterday I got no shinys through the night got 2 this morning, shiny Falling Guillotines with terrible rolls, which I do NOT have attuned. The day before nothing, and the day before that I got 1. Mind you a specific roll is about a 1 in 8,000 chance and that number goes up if your roll looks to make the most out of the double trait combo. When the average is about 1 drop per every 8 hours of constant grinding and the chance is 1 in 8000 how am I supposed to get my loot in just over a months time? A reasonable person would come to the conclusion that I won't, and how am I meant to be excited about loot that I'm not earning? This event should be a treat for the playerbase not a tease

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  • Dude you gotta find something else to do with your time besides play destiny.

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  • Brother you are lurking Destiny forums? This is not Insta or Snapchat this is Bungie's designated forum for Destiny

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  • Edited by LikwiD_SmOkE22: 4/17/2024 10:19:25 PM
    Yeah I'm aware and you should go look for other things to do with your time compared to playing this game in a clearly unhealthy way. You literally told us you're no lifing the brave arsenal event without telling us. Just doesn't make sense to me when I see someone voicing their lack of enjoyment yet continue to play the game. What YOU want the game to be will never happen. Same goes for me.

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  • Dude all I can do is strongly voice my opinions on the matter in this feedback forum. If nothing comes of it then so be it, but if that is the case then I hope the motherf****r who came up with this system stubs their toe on every available corner and no sympathy for the pinky toe

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  • I agree. It's better for them to hit their pinky toe in the middle of the night.

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  • [quote]Yeah we'll just as a disclosure I've been up farming since 7pm yesterday I got no shinys through the night got 2 this morning, shiny Falling Guillotines with terrible rolls, which I do NOT have attuned. The day before nothing, and the day before that I got 1. Mind you a specific roll is about a 1 in 8,000 chance and that number goes up if your roll looks to make the most out of the double trait combo. When the average is about 1 drop per every 8 hours of constant grinding and the chance is 1 in 8000 how am I supposed to get my loot in just over a months time? A reasonable person would come to the conclusion that I won't, and how am I meant to be excited about loot that I'm not earning? This event should be a treat for the playerbase not a tease[/quote] I don’t know if your math is correct but I’ll take your word on it. Just keep in mind that what you’re essentially saying is “If I don’t get my perfectly rolled weapon, Bungie has wasted my time.” This literally makes no sense. You don’t [i]need[/i] any of these weapons to succeed in any end-game activity. Not now and not in The Final Shape. Yes, a “god roll” would be nice and I too have rolls that I hope I get. But the difference between us is that I’m not staking my enjoyment of the activity on whether or not I get them. I know that, as long as I put in some effort, I’ll walk out of there with great guns with awesome rolls and maybe a couple of “god rolls.” The piece you’re failing to see is that this is a self-created problem and not one that Bungie [i]needs[/i] to address. Would I like even more loot? Of course! If they said tomorrow that they’re doubling the loot, I’ll be right there cheering with you. That, however, would not mean that the reward system was not good. None of this is new. If you’re hell-bent on chasing a perfect roll—let alone 12 of them—then you’re going to find yourself consistently disappointed and needlessly exasperated.

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