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4/18/2024 9:41:36 AM
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Then you can have a frenzy Recluse, which doesnt change the fact that MoA is useless with frenzy as a perk option.
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What if you don't have it? Just because it's not an option for you it might be useful for someone else.
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Then yes it is an option, but it is still objectively worse than frenzy. Its not too hard to get either gun with frenzy on it. My point is the actual perk stats wise is a worse frenzy.
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It is worse but again, others might not have the Funnyweb. Remember - power creep....
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Edited by Elegost: 4/18/2024 10:16:33 AMWhether people have it or not is completely irrelevant. Besides the fact that you can focus Funnelweb at Banshee very easily. Recluse rolls with both Frenzy and MoA in the 4th slot. This means both perks are competing for that spot. Objectively speaking, MoA is a worse perk due to the fact that it only provides 15% dmg boost while frenzy does that AND 2 other things as well. People having it or not has no bearing on the matter.
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Well, just because it's something that doesn't work for you doesn't mean it's not a viable option for someone else. People might actually find the origin perk offsets the disadvantage if they lean heavier into grenade builds on light classes. You know, there's not only you and me playing this game.
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Edited by Elegost: 4/19/2024 10:25:22 AMMy man, again that is completely irrelevant to the fact that frenzy individually is a better perk than MoA. Funnelweb vs Recluse is not the argument at all. The perk MoA is worse in nearly every way except time to activate than Frenzy. That is the point. Nothing to do with origin traits, if people have it, funnelweb vs recluse. None of that.
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And people might not have it. Or they think the origin perk makes up for the deficiency in damage. Again, it's not only you and me that are playing the game. There might be people that would actually prefer it or use it because they lack other options. It's as simple as that.
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Bro, then farm the gun to get the perks, your arguments make NO sense. Both guns are farmable EASILY. If someone has the gun/perk or not has absolutely NOTHING to do with my point. I dont know how else I can explain you are arguing a pointless stance.
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I don't have to farm FW it as I already got it very early into TWQ. Neither am I planning on attuning to the Recluse as the curated roll is good enough for me and I prioritise other weapons. There might be people that didn't get it, are newer to the game and don't have the gunsmith engrams, glimmer etc to focus. For them it's much easier just to complete the quest and there it is - master of arms on a shiny as it's part of the curated roll. Having said that - I used that recluse recently and found the extra nade energy on light subclasses very useful. Just because it's not an option for you doesn't mean others can argue it's actually quite viable for their playstyle and builds.
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You have to be trolling at this point. Funnelweb doesnt matter. Origin trait doesnt matter. I am comparing 2 perks. Frenzy. VS. Master of Arms. THATS. IT. Frenzy is better than Master of Arms. Thats it. I dont care about the new ppl who dont have it. I dont care about ur nade build working with one origin trait over the other. None of that is what im complaining about.
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At this moment I actually think it's you that's trolling hard. Master of arms is weaker than Frenzy. Yes. But if you don't have a FW with frenzy then MoA is a viable option. Plus the curated roll comes with a second perk which is Destabilising rounds. And it has the origin perk - you don't get frenzy on that weapon but instead you get a useful origin perk. If you don't think that the Recluse fits your playstyle - fine. Then it's not an option for you and you stick to the FW. Others might make an argument for the Recluse being more useful. That's all.
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Recluse can roll with frenzy and MoA. Again funnelweb has no bearing on the convo. Recluse with a frenzy roll is better than a recluse with a MoA roll in almost every case except maybe pvp. Funnelweb has no bearing on the convo. There is almost no reason to keep a recluse roll with MoA over one with Frenzy due to MoA being a worse frenzy. Funnelweb has no bearing on the convo. I am out. Its like arguing with a rock and i cannot believe I have stuck around this long lol. Enjoy.
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Edited by Auronio: 4/18/2024 9:55:25 AMFocus engrams with Banshee. Engrams are utmost easy to acquire and focusing as well. Maybe you don't get a 5 out of 5 god roll but getting one with Frenzy should be feasible.
