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Edited by SeawardChimp753:
4/29/2024 3:30:15 PM
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Conditional finality is a cancer on the crucible which needs to be sorted
It is more potent than pre nerf felwinters, it has the highest handling stat making it easier to use than any other agressive frame, it has its own spread pattern which is better than any other, can kill literally anything in one shot and the list goes on
It is not healthy for the crucible, look at the usage and kill stats. It needs to be reigned in whether that is bring its handling down to the lowest possible (so it kill still be a super killer but not as easy to use), turn it into a rapid fire (with the effects landing all pellets would still deal more than an agressive frame but punished for not not landing them), ban it from PvP (no pve nerf just roots out the problem)
Any other suggestions are good but it DOES need tuning and that cannot be denied
Look at the stats before trying to defend the weapon in PvP
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conditional is not the problem 😂
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Conditional hasn’t gotten nerfed because of two reasons and it’s meta because of those two same reasons: 1:it is the only weapon than can actually counter bubble/well with enough effort 2:it’s an aggressive shotgun with high handling It’s good,but I do think it should get a bit of a rework not a nerf,either other special should be brought up closer to it or bubble and well should be brought down.
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Sometimes when I close my eyes... I see a vision of a hunter blasting me in the face with conditional from a short-handcannon range...
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The reason why: if it isn't 6v6, defensive supers are the only viable options and are typically the only supers that actually charges fully, hence why conditional is so strong & popular cause it's the only counter. Either than that, it's pretty much just as lethal as other shotguns
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2 RepliesDude, you can get one via Pantheon, no worries.
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That’s a lot of text for skill issue
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2 Repliesimo Conditional Finality does way more good than harm Having an option to cut through a lot of the BS that came about from the Subclasses 3.0 changes is much needed to keep players from feeling completely helpless against certain strategies, especially in Dominion Trials At base, it is better than other Shotguns for pure Shotgunning, but once you start adding in perks that Conditional doesn't have access to, like Quickdraw, Threat Detector, Elemental Capacitor, and Opening Shot, the playing field is way more level for Legendary options. This consideration is for pure neutral Shotgunning One thing I see a lot of people not mention in the Conditional Conversation is that most of the best primary options right now are Legendary Energy weapons, and with that in mind, why wouldn't you use Conditional? Like, Imperial Decree is just as consistent for me in neutral terms, but if I'm using a good Legendary Energy Primary, why wouldn't I just take the Shotgun that can also sort out Overshields, Woven Mail, and actually gives me a chance at killing a Super? Like, give me Exotic Primaries that are worth considering over the Legendary BiS But I dunno, I think the gun is fine. It helps fight the stuff that isn't fine in my eyes. I've never been killed by Conditional in a way that felt out of band since the last patch it got. I think people are just tired of seeing its name in their feed
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Meh. People used to say the same thing about Chaperone.
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Nerf herders are inherently mid and beta. Sorry, not sorry. Empowered yourself by GG!
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[quote]It is more potent than pre nerf felwinters, it has the highest handling stat making it easier to use than any other agressive frame, it has its own spread pattern which is better than any other, can kill literally anything in one shot and the list goes on It is not healthy for the crucible, look at the usage and kill stats. It needs to be reigned in whether that is bring its handling down to the lowest possible (so it kill still be a super killer but not as easy to use), turn it into a rapid fire (with the effects landing all pellets would still deal more than an agressive frame but punished for not not landing them), ban it from PvP (no pve nerf just roots out the problem) Any other suggestions are good but it DOES need tuning and that cannot be denied Look at the stats before trying to defend the weapon in PvP[/quote] I get it, it’s frustrating but honestly there is 3 simple options for you if you really don’t like it…. 1) Really dinnae like it, dinnae play PvP (wouldn’t want you to do this option as PvP needs a health player pool). 2) Adapt and learn how to counter it. Probably easier said than done, but is doable. 3) Just accept people are going to use it and focus on doing the best that you can. Demanding nerfs is not the answer and unfortunately with Bungies history, although they are more than capable of separating the sandbox they generally don’t and PvE suffers for it. I know this reply isn’t what you want to hear but we all have our opinions.
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Edited by Raijinmeister: 5/1/2024 3:45:04 AMFor real, at this point, the players that still care about pvp in this game should be aware the devs in charge of PVP can't balance anything to save their lives.
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3 RepliesEdited by THE GRIND IS REAL: 4/30/2024 11:43:22 AMIt's sad to see the amount of players tell you that your wrong even though it's been meta since before the immortal nerf an has been the no1 weapon in the meta since . It needs reigning in tbh no special weapon should 1 shot a super literally none unless a sniper headshot on a warlock in well, the players that call it balanced must crutch on it hard an I mean real hard to the point using bubble an well as an excuse is pathetic they are frigging supers for crying out loud which can be countered by other supers like nova bomb . Doesn't need a nerf but needs changing to a heavy weapon simple fix
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[quote] ban it from PvP (no pve nerf just roots out the problem)[/quote] Andddd you’ve lost me. I understand it’s really hard to not panic when someone pushes you with a shotgun but conditional users are just as easy to counter as any other shotgun. The range stat is not great, so you have ample time. Regardless, the bungie PvP sandbox [b]depends[/b] on conditional finality at the moment to balance content. We have no other well/bubble counter (which are heavily used in Trials), so we have no choice but to depend on this weapon.
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6 RepliesBubble is a far bigger problem then conditional you can be kill a conditional with any gun you can’t touch bubble without conditional
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You’re right, but I don’t think the teetering jenga tower that is the crucible needs anymore pieces yoinked out of it right now. I’d rather we have to make a more interesting choice about a different weapon or exotic to use than see conditional get a nerf.
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Yeah it’s broke
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11 RepliesEdited by stinkych33Ze: 5/1/2024 12:33:45 AMBump, Conditional is busted. The range is misleading. It says it has like 30 but in reality it’s an aggressive frame shotgun that has the same range as Matador. Bungie: Quickdraw is too strong on aggressive frames. Also Bungie: Let’s make an aggressive frame shotgun that has inherent Quickdraw and Snapshot, kills as far as a 100 Range precision frame, and 1 taps any super. Oh, and did we mention that it taps into two of the most potent keywords in the game? I mean the gun can kill further than a max range Slideshot + Opening Found Verdict… and it comes with 100 Handling and a custom pellet spread. Anybody who defends this nonsense is toxic and doesn’t give a damn about a balanced Crucible.
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If they make well and bubble tier 1 supers, they can do whatever they want to it. Otherwise, no.
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1 ReplyBubble is the problem, not well. Stop putting the two together.
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never getting conditional so at least I'll never contribute to the problem.
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Agreed, just get rid of crucible.
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Takes no skill. Just be close to your opponent and fire for an auto headshots one shot kill. It's pretty lame. Shotguns are just atrocious in general in pvp and pve. No balance with them whatsoever.
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[b]NERF IT INTO THE GROUND[/b]
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17 Repliesthe biggest issue imo is the only other good kinetic shotgun option is blasphemer.
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2 Replies[quote]Any other suggestions are good[/quote]I've got a great suggestion: back up.
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4 RepliesCry cry cry cry whatever guns kill you it’s broken
