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Edited by Andy:
12/23/2024 3:02:32 PM
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Removing crafting was a bad idea
Bungo we need to talk you really don't seem to get your player base.
You say you removed crafting because you didn't want it taking away from the joy of random rolls but you can't remove what doesn't exist. There is no joy in your random loot just an endless stream of disappointment. We all know going in that there is only a ridiculously low chance of whatever roll we might be chasing dropping and that's when you haven't managed to weight them to never drop at all. The only way to avoid the misery is to expect nothing.
Removing crafting didn't incentivise us to chase random rolls. I am not interested in grinding your overlong boring repetitive recycled activities anymore for loot that doesn't drop (and I have 15,000+ hours or something insane in play time). What you did removing crafting was remove any reason to play at all.
At least with crafting there was a viable loop, suffer to get the red borders, craft, test and level the guns and grind for the materials to enhance them which took quite enough time. Adding in 100s of hours of even more grinding for rolls that may never appear was a step to far.
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9 RepliesI just want a trackable grind. That's all I want personally.
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Edited by ReverentCoast: 12/24/2024 1:40:59 PMAs a fairly new player. I like crafting. It allows me to obtain weapons that I did not get because I was not around for that season and many. The exotic rotator mission since playing about 6 months ago, I can now have access to 4 of the weapons and exotics. I am still looking to get the rest. For newer players, crafting allows us to catch up. It also allows us to play on a level where we are no longer being carried but participating and helping. My God, I solo flawless pit the other day only because of the weapons. This one is a double-edged sword. For new lights that remain in the game, it is a blessing. For older players, it is not well received. All I know is that I am having fun! I am playing and enjoying the older content more so than the new. I am looking forward to Presage and Operation Seraph Shield. I am hoping that Bungie does not remove the older content that I am still playing.
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I mean I'm a fairly active player, and somebody who has played since the D1 Alpha for reference with a lot of playtime, but I think it's definitely a mistake for them to remove crafting. I have been unable to get any 'god rolls' of the new Revenant weapons. The perk Envious Arsenal might as well be non-existent for me on the Bitter/Sweet GL, for example. This newer system for enhancing weapons never needed to overtake and replace the regular means of crafting and should have only existed to complement it.
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11 RepliesIf anyone actually thinks that them removing crafting had anything to do with "joy of random rolls", i actually lose hope in humanity as a whole. Their singular intent with reducing crafted weapons and relying more on rng again was to feed player engagement numbers to their investors. Thats it. They saw a slight decline in player retention over the past years since they introduced crafting and pin pointed the one and done philosophy behind earning crafted rolls as the main reason. Meanwhile they created trash content and the natural player decline added to it. Obviously players leave when the game devs fires or shifts away most of their actually talented devs. We feel that. Crafting had nothing to do with lower player numbers. We were just able to spend our time in the game the way we wanted, instead of running the endless hamster wheel in activities we didnt want to be in. THAT burned us out. So incredibley stupid how these clowns handle their game. Passively forcing their players into gringing boring trash activites for weeks if not months for some pulls at the slot machine. We had the awesome solution which was crafting but that cant happen, players play what they want? Nah...
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2 RepliesNo crafty?!? No grindy!!!
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Guardian,Archon Of LightErisLoverLivingVicariouslyThroughDrifter - 4/1/2025 4:17:37 AM
It's only an issue because the seasonal weapons are mediocre People didn't mind RNG in ITL because the Brave weapons were op -
If they bring back crafting I hope they make it a lot harder to get said red borders it’s way to easy to get patterns this type of game needs -blam!- to chase or it will die and I know rng isn’t the most favourite way crafting was a crap bandaid
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1 Replyi enjoyed crafting and otherwise wont run a activity now,since no red borders .so the game feels even less empty. in my case it backfired . try something else bungie that was a none starter.
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You mean the game isn’t fun again because RNG?
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Crafting kept me going in their respective loot sources. While hunting for red borders I can confidently say that these desired rolls barely dropped. But even then you had your nightfall weapons, some world drops and crucible weapons that were random and still sought after. Shoutout to OG onslaught. Taking away crafting doesn’t benefit anyone really. Isn’t Revenant the lowest pop for an episode/season?
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I miss crafting. So over this endless search for rolls that never come(for well discussed reasons) sick to death of rng taking a dump on any drops. Havent had the exotic drop for the last four dungeons depite running them a fair bit. The last three raids prior to salvation I still havent got the exotic despite having the seals done. The argument that once you get the red boxs and craft a weapon is also silly. The same reasoning applies to random rolls - if you get it first run its job done bye byebye. Maybe a compromise would be the ritual weapon craftable? And make armour craftable too.
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Crafting was like loss protection with weapons. You finally get 5 red borders, boom, you could craft it. I dunno….I thought it made the game better.
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1 ReplyI actually have the perfect solution for the crafting/random rolls issue. Each weapon that can be crafted should have a secret extra perk that will only roll on random drops and can’t be added via crafting. That way there is still a reason to have a crafted version (curate the gun as desired + enhanced perks) but also a reason to hunt for a good roll with the hidden perk. Alternatively (or maybe even in tandem) certain perks can only be unlocked for crafting after meeting specific prerequisites - similar to the shaped exotics.
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Tbf it doesn't impact me much. But seasonal weapons could have stayed craftable, and the weapons from crucible, master raids, GM's could have been made more attractive with stat bumps or better perk pools. Then enhancing it. My biggest gripe is that everything from before the season of the wish can't be enhanced 😫 Like what's the point
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25 RepliesSome hardcorr players can invest 8+ hours/day in this game and most players can’t even manage 1-2 hour/day. Hardcore players are against crafting btw they love the feeling of winning lottery (RNG) because they want recognition for investing so much time while common players who have jobs/lives, they want to feel that Bungie valuing their time spent on this game.. I believe red borders are fun tho
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To be honest they could have had both systems Crafting if you were looking for a specific role and wanted to switch the perks when available but keep this system so if you find a good roll you want to keep you can enhance it But I think a good way to do it is this, keep weapon crafting for raids definitely and dungeon to but season you have both ways so you can upgrade a good roll you got but if you want to really farm for a role you can farm for red borders, so people can use the engrams they get from episode 1 and make it so red boarding grinding can happen later down the line and normal activities just make them enhanceable So you can grind for the perfect weapon at the start of the season but at the end you can start to farm red borders if you were unlucky or didn’t want to play eternally
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-blam!- yes it was, and it’s one of the many reasons why after heresy I’m finished.
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The player base has changed. Grinding isn't a thing anymore. Someone tell the developer before I'm the last one playing this game ..
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7 RepliesThink of the gambling addicts though. 🎰
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Edited by Scorpion21: 12/23/2024 8:05:09 PMDo you really think they will listen to us. At time with D1, yes they listen to much. Nower days, they don't give a -blam!- what you write here. They cashed already so why would they bother/ the game is gone for years,, and stil clans are recruting. I 've been in clans before, but after a while everybody plays something else Why? that's the big question
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Huge +1
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Vantage Point w Eddie Current and Jolting Feedback. I’ve got more than a hundred of those, didn’t get that roll. So much fun.
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And also make Vault space more problematic for many players.
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1 ReplyEdited by MythosPraxis: 12/23/2024 8:29:02 PMThey don’t read this writing on the wall, even though WE are the qa team for the game. 10 years. Been this way since D1. Hard agree with everything you said.
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3 RepliesThey fixed the issue where players enjoy the game
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Crafting is also an answer to the vault space issue. We don't need to keep 15 copies of the same weapons and armour if we can delete and re-craft them. Why not rework crafting? Instead of making you upgrade a weapon, simply allow the perks to be unlocked when you dismantle a weapon with those perks. If that doesn't work, why not unlock the perks based on the number of weapons you've deleted? Delete five Better Devils, you've unlocked the Explosive Rounds perk for Better Devils when crafting. Delete five more, you've unlocked Kill Clip, ect. This way you don't lose the "excitement" of a world drop. They still have random rolls and your "god roll" might drop before you even need to craft it.
