As someone who has multiple hours in both games, warframe was one of the first games I installed when I got my xbox one in 2016 and played alongside destiny Now onto the meat and bones [b]new player experience[/b] Not going to lie, warframe has trouble gaining new players or at least, keep player retention from said new players. Reasoning - in order to access junctions, you need to do certain objectives, what are certain objectives? Well some are very elusive, some are downright easy, and others pretty clear yet unclear. Example, Mars Junction where you have to kill a certain type of grineer - The grind, if you dabble into warframe crafting, you notice some stuff. Mastery ranks, you don't grind weapons, you grind Mastery ranks till about rank 19, where everything is unlocked after (last rivens etc) - The store where you buy your blueprints, is clunky, yes you can apply filters but some blueprints don't come from the store, they come from dojos, not all sources are clear and the blueprints you pick up have a heavy material sink for new players - Crafting has a wait time differing from 12 hours to 3 days. Some items are for quests as well, heavy offenders: Mirage, Jordas precept [b]Average player experience[/b] If you survived the hellhole that is warframe, you basically come to the meat and bones. How to kill something as efficiently as possible - You think running a strike is bad when someone uses grav? I once spend 20 min just standing on an obj, seeing a guy spawnkill every enemy that came in. Free loot, experience? Boring - Warframes pvp is non existent, because conclave wasn't popular to begin with. It didn't hit well with casual players because of the simple preset, try shooting a shielded weapon of war having rabies zooming all over the arena when shot once. [b]Trading[/b] As someone who spent some time in trade chat, it ain't all sunshine and rainbows - New players get scammed a lot. Paying way more higher prices for prime frames (Aka what is now akin to ultimate skins in first Descendant), prime weapons and other stuff. Why? Its a free market and you can ask entire life savings if someone is willing to fork over the money. But you have to ask yourself, if a prime bundle came out for 134,00 in total at prime release, which comes into play that $100 is 1000 plat. You think asking 3000 for a frame a bit much? Well a new player doesn't know. [b]Veteran player experience[/b] A lot of the old warframe players quit this game as many times as they quit destiny 2 for extended periods of time - Warframe releases a new quest every 2 to 4 months. Until then you twiddle your thumbs. What do vets have? - steel path (Just beefier enemies) - Archon hunts (1 times a week) - Sortie (1 time a week) - circuit (1 time a week and rng dependant on your loadout and teammates) - Netracells (depending on your cells, multiple times a week but once they're empty they are gone) - Sister/Kuva hunt (repeatable and rng dependant on your combination) - Eidolon hunts (Forgotten by the community) Moreover, every new update is just a new way to grind reputation Ostron Solaris United Deimos Angels of zariman The list goes on, the only sort of shakeup was the 1999 update which tries to make investment meaningful Warfame isn't all happy days, it has about as much lulls in player schedules as destiny 2. Its free to play yes, but it doesn't take away the glaring issue with the game. After a certain time, your playtime will diminish because there is nothing to do. Y