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Is d2 made for streamers and sherpas ?
I have never come across a game that requires atleast 90% of the endgame content to require a tutorial like d2 does .
Also can anyone tell me what other games have as many carry services as destiny does you've got carrys for gms ,raids,exotic missions,duo class item mission ,trials ,comp and dungeons
Edit :I'm still waiting for someone to give me a game that has more carry systems than d2, yes I know other games have carry services but we are talking maybe like 1 to 3 types for most games when d2 has 7 to 8 its a big difference
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I agree that some of the game mechanics or quest are poorly explained. But when it comes to the difficulty of the game, I have noticed a big improvement in how easier the game gets when you start paying attention to the build mechanics and its gameplay loop. I’ve been doing a lot of NF lately, and a some of the people I see in my team have completely unoptimized build: flat stat distribution with nothing in the hundred, no champion gear, no build synergy except shooting stuff… I’m not saying that to belittle anyone, but to say that spending max 1hr on YT on a couple videos on build might make a lot of people enjoy the game more.
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2 RepliesEdited by LikwiD_SmOkE22: 1/8/2025 11:44:41 PMYou only need a tutorial for raids and dungeons. Some players try to figure it out on their own while others wait for players to put out a tutorial. Same thing with exotic missions. The game really isn't that difficult. It doesn't need to be made easier. However, I do think they should remove that -5 nonsense for base level activities which are meant to be casual.
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1 ReplyThey made the game increasingly hard so that the litterally "profetional" gamers (as in people who play for a living) don't get bored of playing all day every day... meanwile us ordinary gamers whi have jobs or studies get nothing but exceedingly hard games rhat reward nothing. I mean FFS every enemy starts to dodge you the moment you aim at them even if their back is turned to you and they can all teleport every second or two, and now in harder content they either one shot you or stop you with special powers... Not a fun game anymore... i was playing for entertainement, to chill, not to stress over god mode enemies that spawn out of nowhere surrounding me in a split second.
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4 RepliesEdited by ABADDON_WOLFFE: 1/8/2025 8:12:21 PM[quote] Also can anyone tell me what other games have as many carry services as destiny does you've got carrys for gms ,raids,exotic missions,duo class item mission ,trials ,comp and dungeons[/quote] ° Diablo 4 Boosting, items for sale, accounts sells it has become quite literally pay to have fun. ° Path of exile (both 1 and 2) Boosting, items/gear for sale, accounts sales, xp boosting a skill tree so big it might as well be Yggdrasil. You really need a guide for both specially path of exile or you'll have no idea on what tf you are doing, and even with those you still have no idea if you've never played such games. The economy in those games (real money) it's nuts! You'll see carry services offered everywhere. There are many games with that issue i get you and many others are angry because 1 or 2 missions but come on dude destiny it's nowhere near some games when it comes to carry services.
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Streamers, yes. Not sure about sherpas. Content creators are basically free marketing.
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2 RepliesEdited by Eazy-E: 1/8/2025 2:27:06 PMThere's way to many timers and picking up buffs, teleport with said buff while on a timer , dunk buff in area with no cover , surrounded by hard hitting 1 shot enemies. Yeah I can see 90% of players staying around for that fun. Destiny needs a baseline easy mode , then give people options to make it harder. I'd bet thousands of people quit because they couldn't beat witch queen
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1 ReplyThis expansion specifically was fanservice to the streamers who have carried the franchise. . It's nothing against these streamers, I just don't like Bungie won't admit it. They clearly made this expansion a sweaty try-hardfest that demands the playerbase accesses third party resources. These third party resources are developed by these streamers who profit from the demanded traffic. .
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FACT: D2 is made for $$
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7 RepliesYou like that attention that your daily complaining gets,. right?
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17 RepliesKnow why there are so many? Because people pay for carry services; take your grievances up with them.
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ALWAYS was and is.
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Yes Original Destiny is for gamers/players. You can replay any mission, pick your crucible flavor, minus trials. Even your super and abilities are more complex and give the player the power to select what’s best. D2 dumbed everything down and what isn’t behind a paywall is on a rotation and this game is more of a chore than a fun game lately.
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12 RepliesEdited by Sylok, The Defiled!: 1/9/2025 4:06:59 AMD2 is a unique game & a unique example. WoW has carries for raid content & Mythics (Which is like GM+) Maybe some for PvP but haven't come across any ads for it. Any multiplayer shooter that has a ranked system highly competitive & rewards highly sought after (Trials & Comp for Destiny) {The Finals has exclusive skins per season in their comp playlist} {WoW with it's PvP seasonal exclusive mounts & armor} Destiny has multiple highly sought after activities with exclusive loot. Trials, Raids, Dungeons, Comp for the emblem. So it becomes more apparent. The main issue is that Bungie seems like they don't care about the carries, and let it happen despite it being a bannable offense. Other games are stricter but still have their occasional carry services that you see from time to time. Edit: I meant paid carries this entire time. Note: Some people will ask to carry for Title or Emblem reasons. Trials Title requires it as well as Limited time Raid Emblems require 10 carries. These are done with the intent of it being done for free as Bungie is directly promoting carrying here.
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The only endgame content that would require anything close to a "tutorial" are raids. If you need tutorials for nightfalls or higher level seasonal content, then I think it might be a bit of a user problem.
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6 RepliesClearly it's not. They dumbed everything down. Back during Beyond Light - maybe that arguement could have been made. But ever since the update that gave free DR for just speccig into resilience and now with prismatic; nothing really requires a guide or sherpa anymore.
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Wait till ashes of creation comes out. WoW hardcore is far more punishing than any of these games as well as hardcore diablo. -
4 RepliesPeople will always try and find a way to make a buck. The game that I am currently playing in the game chat has people spamming carry services. This is a community issue, not a developer one.
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The only reason this game has so many carry services is because a large majority of the game's playerbase is equal parts entitled and unskilled. Easier to login to paypal than it is to play the game.
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Edited by Tis-but-a-scratch: 1/8/2025 6:42:17 PMMade for streamers to cash in, but tries to please the casuals. But the casuals can’t keep up and most don’t care to watch the streamers.
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8 Repliesnah d2 is made for casuals but casuals with brain cell
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D2 is a run of the mill job the clans are the many companies and pvp is the fight to be top company, players don't want to teach new players, and new players don't want to learn from experienced players but want to finish the raid. D2 is a job plain and simple.
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If there wasn’t a demand there wouldn’t be a supply. People are lazy in destiny and expect things to be handed to them for little to no work, paid carries happen in a plethora of games though, WoW has some for mythic dungeons and raids. Hell there are people paying to be ran through Heroic raids in wow 😂
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Edited by STARS-Raven: 1/8/2025 3:53:15 PM[quote]I have never come across a game that requires atleast 90% of the endgame content to require a tutorial like d2 does . Also can anyone tell me what other games have as many carry services as destiny does you've got carrys for gms ,raids,exotic missions,duo class item mission ,trials ,comp and dungeons[/quote] FFXIV, FFXI, WOW, BDO, PoE, PoE2, all darksouls games, bloodborne, elden ring, even end game genshin has guides because you have to build up like 4 teams to run those dungeon thingies otherwise you will have to throw different builds until you figure it out. Also all of those games, including destiny, you DONT need a tutorial. You can learn yourself through trial and error. And all of those games have the paid services that you listed
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Yup - its pathetic. Fail of Fails exotic mission is s classic example of making a mission so dense and silly it sends player’s to guides to do.
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Yep. That's who they have "admittedly" flown out for feedback, actually.
