What are you talking about? PvE in Destiny is barely a challenge. And I’m not claiming to be some PvE god! But soloing? Sure, that’s where it gets spicy. In a fireteam of three, though? You might as well let your abilities and auto-targeting weapons handle the work. Between room-clearing explosions and tracking projectiles, the game practically plays itself. So again, what are you talking about? The endless whining about how “hard” this game is feels like people allergic to putting in effort. It’s like saying we should turn basketball into patty-cake because Timmy can’t dribble. Is that really the bar now? The problem isn’t difficulty—it’s the lack of engaging mechanics. Remember the Shield Brothers strike? You actually had to think—plan how to bring those bosses together to drop their shields. Now? Every encounter boils down to "stand here, grab buff, shoot shield." Rinse and repeat. It’s not a challenge; it’s a checklist. And catering to casuals? That’s a barrel without a floor. Bungie keeps trying to please everyone, and in doing so, they’re driving everyone away. It has to be the gameplay that keeps us coming back—not some shiny new subclass, game-breaking weapon, or flavor-of-the-week ability. But that’s what the weekend warriors need: quick fixes, low effort, and high reward. Bungie needs to decide who this game is for because right now, the middle-ground policies are killing it. It’s not for the casual mentality of “low effort, but I want it all.” That mindset ruins the game for players who actually want to earn their progress. And don’t even get me started on PvP. You cry about getting stomped in PvP but want PvP acolytes to roll over for you like PvE NPCs. It’s ridiculous. If you want everything handed to you, fine—but don’t expect the rest of us to stick around for a game designed to reward mediocrity. Destiny thrives on challenge, mastery, and growth—not participation trophies.

Here’s an example of why I think some people find the game harder than it is: I started an expert NF, joined the LFG, the other 2 were GR7 and 6, at the power cap, but no optimized stats, not taking advantage of the active surges, not using any champions gear, no optimized build. If you made it that far in the game (level, rank), I swear you are just one 20’ YT build video away from feeling a lot more powerful and finding the game a lot easier.

Agreed! And they wonder why player numbers keep dropping like flies Act 3 release only had 36k players on Steam and right on the next day it dropped to an all-time low of 9.9k. Well, guess what... no live game is sustainable only with the hardcore players.

Stopped reading after you put Kackis in the elite division.... 😅

unfortunately souls syndrome has taken this game by storm

Elite players are all that are going to be left soon.

It's not that it's difficult.........it's that it's stupidly tedious.

I agree and have been saying as much since into the light and the difficulty increase. Bungie does not care: about the players about the loss of revenue about the layoffs about anything that makes the game fun, enjoyable and engaging Look at tonics, boy are they such a blast.

Some of these comments are outright ignorant and narcissistic. Pull your heads in, everybody has a differnet skill level, and everybody has different levels of enjoyment from the various content. Some people enjoy running around in patrol completing bounties, some people enjoy ticking boxes, some people enjoy solo dungeons. The game somewhat caters to everybody, except where the skill floor keeps raising, instead of the ceiling being raised. Campaigns, storylines, and weekly tick-boxes should be accessible to everbody.

Here’s the problem you have players that love to argue from THEIR perspective, instead of trying to get more people they would rather exclude. Sure one could “watch a video” but why? Why not have a scaled down mode that would help players understand mechanics.

Bungie has applied this "all or nothing" concept to everything. Titles, guardian ranks, weeklies, the list goes on. You can basically play this game for 10 hours per day, complete 99 % of it and have nothing to show for it - because unless you finish that remaining 1 % - or in some cases only that 1 % - you'll get nothing. Outcome, everything els becomes pointless. Bungie could have set up so many goals for the casual crowd and solo player if they just ditched their insane concept and didnt cater to the "content creator clique". A bunch of the content creators don't even play enough to be at 2010 yet - they just pull people from their follower lists to knock out the latest drop so that they can make a video about it.

As an "Elite" player with a lot of accomplishments behind my belt, I agree. Basic strikes should not be so difficult. Campaign Missions shouldn't be so annoying for the sake of it (Just did Iconoclasm for my Titan & the Witness fight can cool it with the Grim & Strand Psions my god). I enjoyed being able to casually enjoy the casual playlists. We don't have that anymore. And it really limits build creativity & diversity and most of all...Viability... Everything since Final Shape has been at -5 Pantheon difficulty since... and it sucks. You take way too much damage and weapons tuning has been horrible lately, so you're punished for missing shots or enemy design (reduced body shot damage), and weapon design where certain weapons aren't as stable as others... I'm absolutely sick of strikes, exotic missions, and certain pieces of seasonal content being set at the difficulty they are right now. It makes the strike playlist completely untouchable (It's hardly relevant so why is it [i]that[/i] difficult) & other activities worse to run than they were before. Edit: looking forward to the difficulty scaling coming in Frontiers...It is supposedly going to allow us to control the difficulty of the content we wanna approach.

You don't need to be good or elite to enjoy everything that the game has to offer. I'm garbage at this game and I get by. I honestly don't get the POV that this game is some insanely hard elites only game when realistically speaking you only need to be passingly competent to get by.

The issue here is that Bungie really wants this game to be all about spamming abilities, they calculate what damage we can deal with the right build and make the content around that. This way makes playing this game "your way" nearly impossible. I honestly don't know why they want us all to use abilities pretty much only. Makes chasing for weapons quite pointless.

Being always -5 lights doesn’t help either.. levelling up is literally pointless