Eris claimed Heretic. That's what that fancy title means 🤓.
Xivu was branded as a Heretic; the vengeance wrought for the death of Crota at our hands. Their continued failure.
Except, Oryx did the same thing.
Then Oryx... after confronted with folly and artifice of the sword logic, he then says that Savathun is the Heretic.
Then, shortly after Eris claims that if Oryx cannot reconcile the faults in the Sword Logic...
That makes Oryx the Heretic.
On thing is for sure.
We're the Knife.
In Altar of Reflections Savathun said, we "[could be the knife]"... as one of the possibilities in her riddle... more on that coming soon.
Oryx seems convinced.
Eris has taken to identifying us as such.
Who else?
Mara Sov. How'd she know so long ago?
Edit: People like campfires... some smores, bloody pheasant... a little spot to contemplate your mortality.
Da' 'infamous' campfire lore all my haters roast me on, for your consideration:
[url=https://www.destinypedia.com/Lore:Marasenna#Heresiology]Heresiology[/url]
[i]"A woman lives alone on the forest hills above the Feather Barrens. North of her, in a chaos of ravines and clear but fiercely radioactive streams, the hills surrender to high imperial mountains engaged in brutal seismic warfare, for the Distributary is a young world and has not settled its grudges. To the south are the dry lands where the birds of the forest, especially the parrots, go to die. She lives here because one day she will no longer be immortal, and she wants to observe the dignity of death.
Up these hills comes a man and his mother. The man moves with practiced wariness. But his mother is tired of walking, so she sits down on a giant melon and bellows, "MARAAA!"
A fountain of startled birds shoots up into the dawnlight. Not far away, the woman looks up from the broken body of a juvenile gray parrot and softly says, "Mom?"
That night over the fire, after Mara and Osana talk around the oddness of long separation, Mara, tending the pheasants on their spits, says, "Brother, your eagle killed a parrot today."
"He had to hunt," Uldren says, carefully. "You won't forbid him his last pleasures, will you?"
"You've brought him here to die?" Mara wants to leap up and hug her brother, out of pity and respect. Many of his raptors have died before this one, but Uldren has always been grief-stricken and furious at the waste. Now he's accepted what must happen; he has given his bird the respect of choosing its own place and time to pass.
"I have," Uldren says, looking away. Her pride and respect make him a little verklempt. "Mother decided she would come along."
A shear force as powerful as tectonics has divided Mara's heart. She wants to sit down with her mother and ask her everything, but she is afraid of Osana's insight. "What brings you to my little camp, Mother?"
"Lies," Osana says. "Lies and secrets. And the girl who didn't want to be my daughter, who doesn't know the difference between them."
"I know the difference between a girl and a daughter," Mara says, purposefully misunderstanding. The drip pan sizzles beneath golden meat. Her stomach growls. "Your daughter picks up your baton at the end of the race, and goes on living the life you've taught her. You wouldn't want that, Mother. Because then I'd be all your fault."
"That's true," Osana sighs, "but you know what I meant."
Uldren looks between the two of them, frowning. "Mom, what's this?"
"It's your sister about to admit she's behind it all. Aren't you, Mara?"
She unimpales the pheasants from the spits and neatly licks hot grease off her hands. If she spoke, she might scream in terror. What does that mean, behind it all? Does Osana know?
"The Eccaleists are her creation," her mother tells her brother. "The Diasyrm was her pawn. She allowed the Theodisy War because she was afraid we'd be too comfortable here—also so Queen Alis would need her help politically. Mara couldn't afford to be the most radical dissident. She had to seem moderate for her beliefs to thrive. Isn't that right, Mara?"
Mara puts a hand into the warm soil to keep herself from slumping in relief. Mother doesn't know it all. "Shall I carve your portions?" she asks, holding the fractal knife blade-down.
Uldren has that look. He knows Mara never answers his questions directly; by evading Osana's, it's as if she's saying that the question is really Uldren's to ask. "Looks delicious. But Mother does make me curious. Why have you always lived away from the rest of us, Mara? The mountaintop, I understood. You had a brand new night sky to chart. But why now? [u]Why go into the woods like a… a hermit? [b]A heretic?[/b]"[/u]
[u]For the same reason she lived on the hull. For the same reason she can never allow Uldren to really reach her.[/u] There is power in remove and safety from the belittling politics of temporal power, which reveal the mighty as unforgivably ordinary and petty. The Awoken have a Queen because a Queen can be a mystery.
[u]"I remember the day I was born," she says. "Do you, Brother?"[/u]
He flinches from her eyes. [b]He remembers Yang Liwei and the tether into darkness. He remembers how gravity stretched them into agonized ribbons of flesh. He remembers the truth not even Alis Li may be allowed to know; [u]Mara sees the agonizing moment, the cyclic revelation, when he thinks of her crime, allows it to pierce him like a spit, and buries it deep again.[/u]
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Osana takes her portion of pheasant meat and rolls it in the bowl of sweet cooked nuts her daughter has prepared. The stars are coming out over the mountains, and the forest birds sing. "This place is good," she says. "This world. Whatever you remember of our lives before, Mara… I know they cannot have been this good."
"No," Mara says. "But you were both with me. I hope you always will be."
"Always," her brother promises.
"Eat well." Mara claps her hands and stands. "Tomorrow we journey."
"Where?" her mother asks.
"I have star charts to share." [b][u]And heresies to tend to[/u][/b]. And a new eagle-crow to find for her bereft brother".[/i]
I WASN'T characterizing. Mara's OWN words.
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Uldren calls her a Heretic... implicates her actions as does her mother over a meal with what, I think, is one of the most important pieces of lore in the game, the imagery... the symbolism, not bloated... quite sublime.
A campfire where the premise is laid... secrets. The Anthem. If Mara was willing to do what she did... manipulation of her own people, a "Hermit" does not see themselves as integrated... both that moniker of persona and Heretic choose to be outcasts.
As I said, Mara cares not for her brother nor the Awoken... since the day [she was reborn in the void].
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Edited by Architect Mind: 3/20/2025 10:47:35 PMI really would like to delve into her resurrection moment... Reminds me of love, death, and robots... The episode where he realizes he lives in a false reality via some neural link with his lover or whatever... He wants out, she begs him no, and that he won't like the other reality or her... She releases him, he screams, crunch crunch crunch nam nam nam...
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Actually the infamous campfire you get roasted for was claiming the Pale Heart was going to be the Distrubtary, based on that the trailer for TFS showing the campfire scene and then saying the lorebook Marasenna mentions a campfire scene in the Distrubtary. So you said they are the same place…because both had a campfire. That’s the lore based “analysis” method you’re so proud of. I don’t know anyone who begs their haters for help either lol Though this thread is funny, trying hard to outrun your spinfoil. But you can’t. Poor Fido got the attention he wanted and now is bent he can’t run away from it. 😎
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It’s almost like the episode is called Heresy and not The Heretic. There’s no necessitating a singular heretical figure within the narrative, it’s instead focusing on how the Hive pantheon is rife with heresy, past, present and future. The Hive’s very existence is predicated on heresy by the logic of the sword, they were given worm larvae instead of taking it. Fundamentally they can never be a part of the Final Shape as they believe it to be. The Worm, their Gods will outlast them, as each Hive kills each other to survive before no tithe remains and the last are devoured by their Worm.
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I’ve always said someone was a huge Michael moorcock fan on the story team…
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Here we go again with the Mara Sov bs 😂
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Spam, Kell Of Hunter Dodge
the goofiest halo player - old
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Idk maybe being the hottest character gets you special knowledge
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Edited by Guardian,Archon Of Light: 3/19/2025 12:32:11 PMGuardian,Archon Of Light
ErisLoverLivingVicariouslyThroughDrifter - 4/1/2025 4:17:37 AM
We are the Heritic cause we disprove the sword logic , we rejected the Hive throne in 2015, and we will do so again at the end of this expansion We conquer but don't claim, and no matter how much our power grows, we still serve the greater whole, the bomb