Just make us stand there and dance and the first team to get bored and leaves loses. Since everyone always complains about every gun and every ability and every subclass in the game, it doesn’t seem like we should be allowed to play with anything against each other. Once these nerfs go out, it’ll be a whole other round of complaints and again and again and again, the cycle never stops. Hand cannons are too good, pulse rifles are too good, autos are too good, subs are too good, (bungie afraid of making scouts too good), snipers are too good, shotguns are too good, fusions are too good, heavy gls too good, heavy machine guns too good, two Icarus dash too good, shoulder charge too good, invis too good, clones too good. -blam!- maybe all that stuff isn’t the problem and it’s the players…………….. Bungie bends over backwards to please the community when they cry about something. Bungie didn’t change the meta when they made Halo, they just made it and it was what it was and it was great(yes I understand halo wasn’t live service, but let’s be honest, it’s not like destiny pvp is REALLY live service with the lack of updates until recent and even then it doesn’t matter). Bungie just needs to pick a meta, balance it how they want it and let it be. If you don’t like it or you suck, you can “git gud” or leave. That’s how it should be. No other fps with PvP buffs and nerfs things nearly as much as Bungie and Destiny. And that’s not even how games used to work, you played a game that you like and if you were good at it, you played it even more and if you were bad, you got good or didn’t. I mean I don’t understand how Bungie literally had the formula before creating this franchise and F’d it up so bad. If you want to change things up in PvE that’s fine, good in fact but PvP needs to just be set at a baseline meta and left. And if you aren’t good enough or able to get good enough to overcome all these guns/abilities you complain about in pvp, then maybe you shouldn’t be playing PvP fps games at all. Because Destiny PvP is very forgiving compared to a lot of other fps games out there. It’s not hard. I’m not saying I love all the metas or hate all the metas or don’t like some more than others or don’t like playing some subclasses vs others. But I’m just saying, deal with it and roll with the punches, adapt and learn and quit b**ching. The worst thing about this game is the community and how Bungie opened the game up to community input. Unfortunately now they’re probably shackled by it, but it’s done nothing but foster toxicity between players and classes in game. This ends my “Get off my lawn” rant lol. TLDR: Quit b**ching about the PvP meta and “git gud”