I'll keep it short, lol. We're being manipulated again. We know enough about how this stuff works. Otherwise, we won and achieved our goal at the outset of Heresy, which was? It was to stop Xivu from pulling us into the ascendant plane and to prevent Oryx's release. Not resurrection, Oryx is already in prison. When a taken 'dies'... they don't. They get banished to pocket spaces in the Sea of Screams. Oryx was the Taken King. So, all we had to do to ensure Xivu failed was claim the Echo. But we didn't. We didn't bind Oryx, we captured the Subjugator carrying the Echo. Edit: In review it is unclear whether we captured the Subjugator or if it escaped. I guess you might call that "control" over the Echo, but we didn't claim it. For that we needed to kill the Subjugator and take the Echo... like Fikrul, liked we failed to do with the Conductor. Eris doesn't want the Vanguard to claim the Echo. You can't imprison a memory, Oryx is IN Prison... if claiming the Echo prevents his release, it doesn't btw... but even if it did, we didn't take it. What do we know? We know the Taken and 'Dread' have a new master. What's a subjugator? If Eris rose to the top of the Hive pantheon through our rituals... wouldn't she have an idea who it might be? Maybe the Dread aren't the only ones. Or Maybe... Eris never was on our side. What did the eyes say? Why did Savathun laugh at us? Edit: It was probably Eris laughing... I confused the two. That's on me? If we just WON. We obviously didn't. The turn is coming. It's called a "false peak" and is a common trope of 3 ACT structures of literature. Sometimes, it starts a composition... like the "Red Wedding". The conflict is over... yay, I'm wiki-Bear 🐻... yay! Forget the fact that we aligned the ley lines connecting these prisons yay! Or the fact that we acquired a bunch of keys to unlock these prisons... yay! Or that we spent an entire season invocating the darkness upon the relics/body parts of Oryx while Xivu laughed at us saying we were pawns, YAY! I'm wiki-Bear 🐻... Yay! 😇👍💠 Edit: I added some 'edits' to be as honest in my analysis as possible. The lines connecting the dots: When we killed Oryx he was banished to a pocket of space, a prison within the Sea of Screams. We connected the Ley Lines or paths to these spaces. We acquired a bunch of Amhakara eggs that are used to create gateways, are keys to these pockets of space within the Ascendant Realm. The Gardener needs an army... Generals... like Quria, Raven, & Oryx who are all imprisoned in the Sea of Screams. "The Taken King WILL rise again", Savathun... one of the possible truths in her riddle at the Altar of Reflections.