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Edited by jhermannITJ:
3/30/2025 10:30:59 PM
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@Bungie... The More You Know... getting ahead of things explaining PRNG & seeding.
[url=https://www.reddit.com/r/RNG/wiki/seeds/?rdt=49563]Seeds[/url]
This is a link to a basic overview of PRNG systems like the ones used in Destiny 2.
@Bungie, you have players that are smart enough to figure this stuff out.
Like Mossy, you need to get ahead of this.
If people are seeded when they make their accounts or characters... like Diablo 1's PRNG for loot drops; you need to figure out how to reseed those players that are in bad seeds.
Which you identified existed.
You should not hide this.
Computers and Human Beings are terrible at randomization... most RNG in games is PRNG... Pseudo Random Number Generator is what PRNG stands for.
It simulates 'random' from a predefined or dynamic data set. The size of that data set or scope of the algorithm gives the illusion of randomness, but it is not random at all. If you know the seed you're in and the coding conventions every result is completely predictable.
If you're in a bad seed where certain combinations are prohibitively excluded, as you represented during "weight gate", the only solution is resetting/changing that bad seeding.
It matters how you seed. These concerns are never going to go away unless you explain it better to the player base. And if players, characters, or accounts are STILL in bad seeds, you need to fix that.
@Bungie... for your consideration, please and thank you 😇👍💠.
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So, there are quite a few things I think you've misunderstood here. I will start by saying that you can rest assured bungie is not seeding by account or character. They gave us a quick explanation of how drops work a while ago. It is linked as a reply in one of the threads here. I take issue with the way you've phrased this: [quote]It simulates 'random' from a predefined or dynamic data set. The size of that data set or scope of the algorithm gives the illusion of randomness, but it is not random at all. If you know the seed you're in and the coding conventions every result is completely predictable.[/quote] It's important how you portray pseudo-randomness. The way you've written it here, you make it seem like I can take some predetermined inputs, and, assuming I know how the code works, get some specific outputs. This is kind of true, but it depends on the scope we're talking about. Bungie cannot predict the roll you will get, even if they were given the seed for that particular instance. However, they can predict what RANGE of rolls you can get. This is an important distinction. This is by design. They need to be able to restrict certain weapons to certain perk pools. However, they still can't predict exactly what combinations you will get. The combinations should be random... unless they mess something up. (Weightgate) Now, as for whether bungie should explain how their code works... have you ever heard of the phrase, "security through obscurity"? It's been argued about many times on reddit and stackoverflow. I would say that, generally, if it takes no additional effort to keep something obscure, you should probably opt for that. It is easier to find vulnerabilities in a system you know a lot about.
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Destiny three reveal coming soon?
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After Weightgate, the fact that people are still using it as a bludgeon, and when pushed, don't even understand what it actually was, I can't really blame them for not wanting to elaborate on a very technical issue. Just drops bad = weightgate = Bungo bad. Same thing will happen here. If it's an actual problem, by all means fix it, but the last thing this braincell dumpster fire of a community needs is yet another boogeyman they don't understand to beat people over the head with when their god roll doesn't drop after two runs. There's plenty of intelligent people, but there's WAY more window lickers, and they don't need more windows.
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3 RepliesI wouldn’t be surprised if people figure out where the seeds are located and create cheats to manipulate the seeds. I feel like I’m in one of those bad seeds because I was grinding trials for an adept shuriyas and o kept getting discord and cascade/ harmony on my rolls. It would be nice to get the seed reset maybe at the start of ea h season or act maybe.
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Bump! 🫡
