When they added ae they removed any chance of having a decent skill gap. This is just the way they want things to be I guess.

Too many abilities that do too many things at the same time and with high uptime. Weapons have too much aim assist and perks that boost accuracy or damage with little to no downsides. Horrible connections and matchmaking. Some maps are too small for 6v6, especially when players can now move faster than ever. Lack of variety on curated playlists. Make Control/Clash, Skirmish, Rumble and Ranked as the default playlists. And add a daily playlist that offers bonus rewards like we had in D1.

Mate, save your breath. Most people can’t even begin to grasp the “health of the game” argument. Everyone’s clinging to whatever crutch still makes them somewhat relevant—and surprise, their takes are conveniently aligned with their own loadouts. And let’s be real: “ease of use” is not balance. But Bungie? Oh, they’ve done a stellar job muddying that distinction. The “neutral game” used to mean something—now it’s just code for “how to secure a free kill on cooldown.” The game’s a mess, but that’s by design. Bungie cultivated this weird entitlement culture and now we’ve got a full-blown army of casual dad-gamers who think they’re owed meta supremacy. Even better, Bungie loves watching us bicker over scraps instead of holding them accountable. I’m a Hunter main (for now), and even I can’t wrap my head around why they’d add RDMs—unless their goal is pure chaos, in which case… mission accomplished? The game’s lost. It just doesn’t know it yet.

[quote]PvP needs to be balanced. I think most people can agree that D2 is not a true competitive shooter, but that doesn't mean we should remove all skill gap. Can for once we just have some balance and not just the same old ridiculously unbalanced meta. I get you need some element of space magic bs, it is D2 after all, but this is just too far. The weapon sand box for pvp is an utter joke. Redrix and bxr need to be nerfed, and I don't understand why body shot damage for guns is so high other than for hand cannons. Fusions, in general, are a joke. I feel as confident with a good fusion as I do with a heavy gl. If a weapon is designed in a way such that it can not be balanced and is either unusable or very op, then that's just called a heavy weapon. I won't pretend to know the exact details of match making and team balancing but whatever it is, it's not good enough. People can say "oh just give up on pvp it's a pve game" but I and many others have spent hundreds across all the dlcs and season passes, and it's just not good enough. People can say " oh but the player count is low" again many players pay alot to be playing this game, it's not good enough it's up to bungie to fix that. But i personally feel this is not it. I would agree all players should be able to login and get loot out of pvp, but it should not be degraded to the point it is now. I regularly match with and against players in ascendant comp who hold a very low 1 or below 1 kd. You cannot tell me that it should be a regular occurrence for players for less than 1kd to reach the pinnacle of destiny 2 pvp. Should they be able to get a more basic less prestigious but equally viable form of loot yes. But not adepts in trials and being ascendant. I used to regularly enjoy pve doing raids, dungeons and gms. I don't touch it now but I guarantee if I had the attitude of most people towards pvp in regards of making pve easier people would be outraged. Play 7 games of comp, could lose all 7, get the best gun in the game. Why not let me do 7 strikes ans get the best guns ro offer from pve. How is this different? I don't want to farm gms, it's boring and I don't enjoy it...... You can agree or disagree with what I say but honestly some balance needs to be brought back. What happend to the pvp strike team of devs, I thought they had suck good ideas, how did it go 2 steps towards 15 back......[/quote] I think people are taking my initial post the wrong way. I AM NOT saying or hinting that all guns need the same ttk and there should never be anything broken, nerf all abilities and only hc shotty/snipe should be used. I am simply saying the level of 'cheese/crutch', whatever you want to call it needs to be taken back a notch. As I find it incredibly boring to play against this meta. Closing the skill gap has gone too far.

I agree the matchmaking seems to be off and it has for quite some time now. I generally play crucible and in most games it's wreck or be wrecked. Some people don't care about KD. Then others are so worried over their KD that they don't actually play the game or they quit early if they have a bad game so it doesn't affect their KD. Im not sure how they try to balance things but if it's based off of KD maybe that's part of the problem.

You shouldn't take this pvp so serious. It's peer-to-peer.

You ever play Halo where they had ranked mm? 0-50 and you would match against people at or around your level. It was always competitive. Even though you did have some cheaters, but only if you were ranked high🤷‍♂️

I felt like PvP had a really good chance in 2025, as they dealt with alot of the issues with in the sandbox at the start of Heresy. But then they also added RDM & On the Prowl at the same time... I think even hunter mains are sick of RDM at this point, wanting to see it nuked into oblivion like citans or YAS.

Sorry we can't have skill gap in this game or thumbless irl-helmet-wearers feel oppressed.

Topic should really read: State of PVP has [i]always[/i] been a joke.

Also no players to play PvP so all you get is the die hards so it is not even worth playing unless you can beat thw die hard pvp. Prob be better when Marathon comes out seems to be a PvP lego kids game so should suit the player base ahahhaaha

While I can agree fusions, shottys & the likes are a problem; It has helped me learn RANGE, knowing that I WILL lose against it at range means I stay away when I can. However, I also NEED green bricks so I cant be TO passive. State of the game is INTERESTING, however I wouldnt call it a complete JOKE. To ask for to much, is expecting to much. You need to lower your expectations, understand not EVERY battle is winnable & take the losses when they happen, learn; move on. No amount of complaining, sogging, or crying will fix it. Attached is proof you dont need meta to win matches (made it to Ascendant rank for my 1st time ever NOT playing meta)

Guess nothing has changed or will change ~[i]TheGreatNike[/i]