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5/18/2025 6:54:16 PM
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Black Garden contradiction
A contradiction in the lore. Not too big to affect the current story but it still bothers me nonetheless.
When we first enter the black garden all the way back in vanilla Destiny 1, we enter through a portal on mars and once we enter, our ghost states that we seem to be in some type of space outside of time or the universe, I don’t know exactly what he said but something like that.
It isn’t until during the Taken War quest in one of the missions where the taken invade the black garden where we know the black garden’s actual location. As we travel through the subway system underground of mars, it leads us into the black garden which proves the black garden’s location is just in underground mars. Our ghost even states how we went through all that trouble trying to get the eye of a vex gate lord when all we had to do was go through the subway system of mars.
In Destiny 2 however, we return to the Black Garden during Shadowkeep in the Garden of Salvation raid. My problem I have is if you look up when you’re in the black garden, you can see different planets and a sun in the sky. This contradicts what Destiny 1 stated the black garden was being UNDERGROUND and on MARS.
So either Bungie completely forgot the lore to their own game or there is some type of lore I missed regarding the black garden
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Edited by Shockwave 989: 5/19/2025 8:36:52 PM[url=https://www.ishtar-collective.net/transcripts/tenebrous-tunnels]Tenebrous Tunnels[/url] [quote]When we destroyed the Heart, we locked the Garden to the surface of Mars. All the Taken had to do was... walk through the front door.[/quote] The mission you’re citing has the answer. What’s happened inbetween is that the Vex have once again taken the Black Garden from Mars and stitched it back up, as the Undying Mind was trying to do within the Destiny 1 Strike. Most likely spurred on by the Red Legion invasion of Mars where they actively targeted Vex installations, such as blowing up the original gate to the Black Garden. The one of the Moon was constructed very recently (at the time of Shadowkeep) by the lack of other Vex architecture, no doubt spurred by the awakening of the Pyramid on the Moon.
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[quote]A contradiction in the lore. Not too big to affect the current story but it still bothers me nonetheless. When we first enter the black garden all the way back in vanilla Destiny 1, we enter through a portal on mars and once we enter, our ghost states that we seem to be in some type of space outside of time or the universe, I don’t know exactly what he said but something like that. It isn’t until during the Taken War quest in one of the missions where the taken invade the black garden where we know the black garden’s actual location. As we travel through the subway system underground of mars, it leads us into the black garden which proves the black garden’s location is just in underground mars. Our ghost even states how we went through all that trouble trying to get the eye of a vex gate lord when all we had to do was go through the subway system of mars. In Destiny 2 however, we return to the Black Garden during Shadowkeep in the Garden of Salvation raid. My problem I have is if you look up when you’re in the black garden, you can see different planets and a sun in the sky. This contradicts what Destiny 1 stated the black garden was being UNDERGROUND and on MARS. So either Bungie completely forgot the lore to their own game or there is some type of lore I missed regarding the black garden[/quote] Except it doesn’t exist under mars. There’s some sort of dimensional anomaly or something that’s cause it to merge with the area under mars. That was like the whole point of that mission, lol.
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Or you're missing the factor of...........there's more than one gate into the Black Garden. It wouldn't be solely on Mars.
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3 RepliesEdited by damascus: 5/19/2025 5:33:53 PMI didn’t play earlier games. But is it possible you went through a portal to the Black Garden, at the end of traveling through the underground tunnel on Mars? Or some sort of space/time warp? We access the Black Garden for the Star Crossed mission (for the Wish Keeper Strand Exotic Bow) this way. We also access it this way (portal) from the Moon for the GoS raid. As far as concepts, maybe we see this theme a lot. I think about the Witch Queen campaign. We start on Mars, because we see Savuthun’s ship hovering above. But once rocketed up with Cabal technology, we enter her Throne World. We know her Throne world isnt really “on” Mars. It’s a complete separate reality, crafted by the Savathun herself. Much like Oryx’ dreadnaught “ship”. Perhaps the Black Garden can shift in time and space like the above worlds too. We only can interact with these spaces because we presumably possess technology and power (from the Traveler and others)
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JA, The Architect MindNPC:\\(JA-∞[DESIGN{thought}])« - old
Did it exist under that subway before you entered its unknown space??? And I think it's according to the gate lord... It was a place, no one has been to in... Well, no one can remember really... But in my opinion they were just trying to understand consciousness... So, like the traveler, it was an idea... Sprouted from nothing... Plucked from an absolute... It always is... -
5 RepliesThey repurposed what was going in the BG to begin with. The Black Heart was a Darkness artifact they found to something they made at the direction of the Witness. They just wanted to make canonical connections between narrative parts that were retconned. D1 is technically only semi-official in terms of lore, per the D2 lead dev when base D2 was releasing. Anything in 2 that contradicts 1 overwrites it.
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I remember hearing that after the Black Heart was destroyed it grounded the Black Garden, previously existing outside of space and time, in reality (and for some reason this was in the Mars train station). Just whacky. Dunno how it was shifted back out of reality between D1 and D2, to be honest best to pretend that it was always outside space and time.
