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Nightstalker Is Bad (Outside Crucible)

So, the entire Void Hunter subclass is centered on being Invisible as a "support" buff to your allies and youself. But here's the problem: Invisibility completely removes you from the fight, unlike every single other Subclass buff. You cannot perform any offensive actions, or the buff will immediate be self-removed, which is again, unlike every other subclass buff. You can't even Blink or Finisher without it breaking. Invisibility also doesn't stop enemies from attacking "at" you, and you can still be "seen" if you sprint, double jump, or dodge. The buff is decent for yourself in hard content, but it's a terrible support ability, because we aren't cowering at the sight of a boss in GMs anymore. Unlike other support Subclasses, Dawnblade and Sentinel for example, Nightstalker has basically 0 offensive capabilities without an exotic, unless you consider Stylish Executioner (which is designed in a really awkward way, and weaken punches don't even count as "powered" melees), as offensive, but it still pales in comparison to the incredible Aspects that these other subclasses get. Snare Bomb is for utility only, but has been drastically nerfed due to PvP, and it's the only available melee ability. Deadfall is great for your team, but doesn't help you a ton without an exotic for fast regen. Quiver is in a weird spot where it's trying to be Deadfall, but can't, and the damage is awful. Spectral Blades has awful hit registration, poor duration (because of PvP nerfs), and mid damage to even weak enemies. All in all, the subclass has bad abilities, bad support, bad aspects, and is centered on a bad subclass buff.

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  • I think the problem isn’t that Nightstalker is necessarily weak in PvE. It’s just very boring to play, because the whole subclass revolves around invisibility and being invisible takes you out of the fight for a prolonged time unlike other survivability tools like Overshields or Restoration, that can keep you in the fight. Invisibility basically halts the fight which is just incredibly boring. In my opinion they should add some better functionality to On The Prowl so that in PvE (strictly PvE), attacking the target from stealth does significantly more damage to them. That way you have a playstyle that actually promotes using Invis more often rather than just using to escape. Also Möbius Quiver needs a significantly Damage buff. It should sit a little below Twilight Arsenal given how similar the supers are. TA is around 544k so Möbius should be around 500k.

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