This may seem elitist.. but I think that people who cheese raid encounters are bad at the game.. raids are supposed to be skilled and require a level of mastery that most players may not get to experience. and I do think more people should do and learn raids, but cheesing them is not the answer. Recently I've been doing a lot more LFG raids on fireteam finder because my friends have not been on much and I love to raid. I've noticed recently that the new thing is to cheese every raid encounter possible and make the experience as boring as possible for everyone. In VoG especially, once a team gets to templar everyone screams at me to jump off the map or just to sit there near the cleanse waiting for the oracles to mark us.. claiming "its just faster" when I ask why we are needing to do this. Basically people have devolved to the point where simple destroying 3 oracles is too hard and complicated for us because it takes away 1 second of damage time? it blows my mind that this is really the point we have come to with this game. THEN we get to gatekeeper.. and oh my lord god forbid people dont know how to play hot potato with the relic. now suddenly someone needs to know how to push things off the edge so that the relic person can camp one portal? what is this use our brains as little as possible the game? and then dont even get me started at Atheon.. like do we really all need to die so that ONE person can show off that they can do oracles by themselves? didn't we just say how breaking oracles was too hard back 3 encounters ago at templar? what is this?? man it just really bugs me how people cant just learn how to do things the normal way because its either too hard or its too slow.. My favorite raid of all time is Last Wish and I LOVE doing Riven legit.. but I cant LFG now without being forced to do it, manipulated into doing it or getting immediately pulled to riven because someone broke out the map at the start of the raid, flew to the wish wall and then teleports everyone there.. I'm not joking btw this happened to me 2 days ago. Raiding on lfg has become the most brain dead and boring thing in this game when it used to be so fun to join and learn how people did things their own way or teaching people my strats for encounters. Now raids are so unfun to do unless you have a whole group of friends on willing to do it.. Raid cheeses should be PATCHED and made priority to fix in this game, and if you only know how to cheese raid encounters then you shouldn't be doing raids on LFG let alone calling yourself good at that raid.