Borderlands 4 is going to take a chunk of players that may or may not be back come Renegades, Destinys cosmetic Star Wars make-over (aka cash grab) The Teir system is most likely going to make the game feel unfair, playing with higher teir players, as the rewards as not the same. LfG will probably go back to toxic as an unattended side effect (remember forever 29?) I don't think what they have shown will keep players long, but you never know. Once you put destiny down, its hard to pick back up again. I haven't ventured into Destiny end game activities for a long time, and I've been treading water, looking to see how the light and dark saga ends. Now that I have some sort of closure on that I'm heading back to Warframe for Isleweaver, and single player offline affairs like Cyberpunk and Spiderman miles morales and god of war ragnarock. might even do a play though of Horizon ZD with all the dlc