From Activision: "It will also be a year of significant continued investment in several new properties with long-term potential that are not factored into our 2013 financial outlook, including Activision Publishing's new Bungie universe, Call of Duty Online for China and the new Blizzard MMO." This year, these games are NOT factored into the outlook because they are completely new projects and Activision has no way to know the earnings for them or estimate them for investors. Do you guys really think Bungie and Activsion would already offer pre-orders and advertise to pre-order if the game wasn't coming in the foreseeable future? Unless Bungie says otherwise, I think it is safe to say this game will be out in 2013. Bungie has been working for years on making this game on the xbox 360/PS3, it would likely be this gen with a port later on but holding up the game for next gen would just be too much time and money from all the work they have done.