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Edited by Garem: 2/27/2013 9:53:18 PM
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Any morally sound person would oppose the death penalty.

Time and time again, I hear people advocating...well, murder, really. It's strange how we always leap to violence as a means to an end. A quote by Nietzsche nicely sums up my feelings on the death penalty:[i]"Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one."[/i] When we kill killers, we become the killers ourselves. What we do is no better than what they do. Showing mercy to murderers is what separates us from them. If there's not that distinction, then we're not a system of ideals, we're just a regime. Opinions?

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  • And we are supposed to give the prisoners cable TV and rec time? I thought prison was a punishment. The death penalty is best economically, and morally. Only problems with it would be if someone was framed, but even then that can be avoidable.

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  • Mercy is for the weak, especially when dealing with scum that I don't even consider worthy of being called "humans" anymore. That's only reserved for people guilty of -blam!-, murder, or other violent crimes like that. Personally, I say a bullet to the head into an open grave would be the simple solution for a lot of the filth we waste money on in prison cells, but oh well.

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    • I agree with the OP. To be honest, I find the death penalty to be a solution made by cowards who'd rather appease angry people than actually think of a better judgement. (Just a note, if you were thinking of a rebuttal for me, don't bother. I won't reply. This topic is just too subjective.)

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    • Everyone has their own morals and lots of people's moral code includes certain actions being more acceptable when done in vengeance. For example many people believe it is morally sound to kill someone because they killed someone else, so arguing against the death penalty purely from a moral standpoint is difficult and you're not going to convince people. I think that the much stronger argument against the death penalty (this the reason why it was banned in the UK) is that there is a danger of executing innocent people. If you imprison a convicted murderer and they are later found to be innocent you can release them and give them compensation. If you killed them and then find out that they were innocent, you're in a bit of a difficult situation.

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    • 1 vote for Morality.

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    • I prefer the person to suffer the rest of their lives mentally knowing what they did and what is to come in the next life for them. BUT, at the same time I think about the $20-30 million the tax payer has to pay for that person to live. Because of that, and because of the economic issues we are having, I say kill the bastard.

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      • Edited by colbyrules8: 8/9/2013 3:40:13 AM
        "Morally sound"? That sounds like a term that people could have differing opinions on.

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      • i apprecaite that quote. but i am not morally sounds so i can freely advocate the death penalty

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        • Who the Hell necrobumped this God awful thread? I was sure this thread died and was sent into the void months ago where it should have stayed, but NOOOO one of you just had to ruin the [i]somewhat[/i] peaceful state of The Flood.

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        • Edited by Recon Number 54: 2/27/2013 10:18:41 PM
          IMO, criminal sentencing (prison, incarceration, deportation, even execution) is not about punishment or about rehabilitation. It is about separation. It is about removing a harmful participant in a society from the society they are intent and onto which they are willing to inflict harm. To that end, if a society chooses that the ultimate removal or distancing is acceptable, then they have the ability and the right to decide when and under what circumstances they will permanently remove someone who is a danger to that society by making it impossible for that individual to EVER have a chance of interacting with it. I say that a society has such a right. But I believe if and when a society makes that choice, and how they make that choice, under what circumstances or conditions they exercise that ability, that those details open up that society for review, discussion, and even condemnation by their peers (other societies around the world). In other words, I think that any nation can "choose to use capital punishment" but that choice (and the details of the choice) speaks a great deal about the values, ethics, and reasoning of the society. For example. In 2011 in Norway, a man killed 77 people to (in his own words) "make a statement". He was found responsible, competent and guilty of the crimes of which he was charged. He was sentenced to 21 years in prison. I believe that one incident "says" a great deal about Norway, its social values, its ideas of justice, and how it sees itself. Another example. In the same year, 2011 in Iran 360 people were executed by the state. Capital crimes (capable of receiving the death penalty) include; murder, -blam!-, pedophilia, sodomy (homosexuality), drug trafficking, armed robbery, kidnapping, terrorism, and treason. I believe that 360 executions out of a population of 75 million "says" a great deal about Iran, its social values, its ideas of justice, and how it sees itself. One last example. In, 2011 in the US 43 people were executed by the state. The only capital crime (capable of receiving the death penalty) is for aggravated murders committed by mentally competent adults. I believe that 43 executions out of a population of 310 million "says" a great deal about the US, its social values, its ideas of justice, and how it sees itself. For me, it is not a binary issue. Human interaction is never as simple as "this or that", positive or negative, right or wrong. To attempt to make it a binary choice is to eliminate the concept of justice and turn human behavior into a "if this, then that" program. We are not bits and bytes, we do not operate solely on logic or predictably. We have to make choices and our choices speak about who we are. We need to accept what our actions say about us and if we are not happy with what they say, we should alter what we do.

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          • I'm sorry but if every person who was 100% convicted as a child fiddler and such got put to death I certainly wouldn't protest such a thing

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          • The death penalty is murder? I thought it was removing someone who is more than harmful to the rest of society. If the person in question isnt doing anything but harm, then I'm all for "murdering" them.

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          • Edited by Niedopałek: 7/26/2013 4:40:55 AM
            >people replying to Garem's threads seriously >mfw

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            • Who the balls excavated this thread?

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              It's not necessarily murder. Murder is defined as the unlawful killing, with malice aforethought, of another human. If anything the death penalty falls under the definition of punishment, that being said, your argument that it's murder doesn't really hold up. You could say it has malice behind it, but that would also be incorrect. Malice is a legal term referring to a party's intention to do injury to another party. Malice is either expressed or implied. Malice is expressed when there is manifested a deliberate intention unlawfully to take away the life of a human being. Executions aren't meant to cause pain or injury, it's simply made to put you to death. No more; no less. That doesn't make us like them, it makes us an organized society that doesn't tolerate heinous acts. We aren't killing an innocent person who doesn't deserve it, we are killing someone who has proven himself to be a danger to society and who has no respect for the lives of the innocent. You could argue if it's right or wrong all day, morality is and will always be subjective. And I understand you're trying to use regime in a negative cannotation, but even then it doesn't make a lot of sense and no matter how you cut it, any government, good or bad, is a regime. The fact of the matter is that comparing us to them holds no merit.

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              I support the death penalty, and would like to see it's use extended. Just because somebody's morals don't align with yours doesn't make them wrong or Morally unsound. That being said a lot of my moral standings would be considered barbaric or deranged :D

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            • OP: [i]Hey I'll quote Nietzsche and everyone will think I'm smart! Yeah... my opinions are valid.[/i]

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              • The difference between us and them is that we actually are humane in killing the person. They have notice of their death, time to prepare mentally, a final meal, and final words. The other thing is that in modern times it's absolutely painless, unlike being electrocuted.

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                • Here here.

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                • I don't like it either, but with some people, it's necessary. I feel no sympathy for them.

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                  • I've said this before and I'll say it again. Why must we repay evil with evil?

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                  • It's Gods job to judge, it's the juries job to arrange the appointment.

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                    • Well I believe that if you take a life, you [i]must[/i] pay with your own.

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                      • Never said I was morally sound.

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                      • [quote]When we kill killers, we become the killers ourselves [/quote]

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                      • Edited by WILLtheKILLA5: 8/6/2013 2:56:32 PM
                        Murders get what they deserve.

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