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Edited by AAAAAA: 3/15/2013 10:27:34 PM
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I can't be the only one thinking that discussion is "dead".

Dead may be an over statement. However, I believe we can all see that there is far less actual discussion going on, on these forums. In the pre-b.next days, it would not be uncommon to have a consistent number of 3-5 100+ post threads in the off-topic (formerly flood) with a ranging level of discussion, however they did have a discussion with people constantly quoting eachother and making arguments for and against different points. We saw nonstop debate about anything from Games to Pets to Consoles to Politics (when a blind-eye was turned), often culminating in massive threads and heated debate about a particular point. Sure, much discussion was of low quality; however it was at least there, it provided us with somewhere to easily post what we wanted and get responses/discussion/feedback/awareness on/about it. It's clear there has been a conscious decision to change away from the traditionalist forum-style discussion method towards a more social, less content heavy type of discussion forum. One good example of this is the removal of the post Timers/Limits, these often would force you to type a proper sentence/paragraph rather than typing a 3 word meme answer that contributed little, another example would be the introduction of 'likes' that essentially upvote a post to the main 'popular' page. I believe this has been done in order to increase the usage of Bungie.net from the 'new' generation of gamers, one focussed on quick social status updates, fast responses and one liner memes. However, doing this has simply killed the vast majority of decent quality discussion as people simply don't want to reply to one-another as their comment will be hidden from view to most of the public and has led to reponses being almost entirely directed at the OP; essentially killing any opportunity for development inside of a thread from the original point; a key feature of any decent non-sticky thread. The lack of any form of discussion is driving older community members away from posting on this website. I cannot be the only one who thinks this. Maybe I'm just a jaded fool ranting instead of working, however to me the effects of .next are clear. How about you? Spending less time here? Contributing less to threads? What can be done?

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  • Edited by Prometheus25: 3/18/2013 9:32:19 PM
    I disagree with a couple points here. To begin, your assessment that the new style of foruming encourages "3 word meme answer[s]" is something I disagree with on all accounts. In all of my eight years here, I have seen very little change in these sort of posts and they have persisted through the new forum transition. More on this point, the removal of the forum time limit does not, nor did it, have an impact on a poster's content. Anyone willing to post a short, "worthless" blurb for comment was not hindered, as the post limit only affected frequency, and not length, of posts. Short posts and frequent posts are mutually exclusive and do not come hand in hand. Honestly, I think there has been very small amounts of critically useful discussion on this site (with a few exceptions) in quite some time. It is my opinion, however, that this is a result of two things. Pre-b.next, there wasn't much to talk about. During the darkness, every facet of every topic was practically scrapped clean, especially here in the community forum. There was simply nothing new coming from Bungie to truly fuel the furnaces of conversation. Post-b.next is a different story entirely. While the available content has increased, I believe that the new pageless and bottom-up post order has changed how people respond to threads. It was vastly common knowledge that many users simply read the OP of a thread, perhaps a few posts, then used the "respond" button to add their thoughts, skipping dozens of posts - and often pages - that may have already stated the same ideas that the user wanted to express. In many instances, conversations would periodically repeat themselves as new users came and left a thread, pushing older conversations into seldom-read pages allowing the new users to state the same ideas and rebuttals that were well-expressed and rebuked. The new style lets the most recent and often more relevant posts float to the top where users can easily read them, a simple method that allows pertinent, popular, and useful ideas to be easily communicated and shared without the inherent repetition that plagued the threads and forum as a whole. With shared ideas being more easily expressed and less often repeated, we are seeing shorter threads, simply for the fact that the same posts aren't being repeated ad nauseum as the pages tick past. To some it may look like there's less discussion, but really there's simply less noise.

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