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Edited by Bolt:
7/7/2013 7:01:16 PM
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When even Buddhists murder, it should become obvious.
We don't kill because of religion. We don't kill because of morals. We don't kill because of beliefs.
We kill because we [I]like[/I] to kill. We kill because we [I]love[/I] to kill. Religion and morality are justifications; not causations. Unless [I]you believe[/I] in supernatural evil, there is clearly no outside force that causes mankind to commit atrocities. Atheists should be able to realize that, even if religion acts as the catalyst for violence, the person committing it still [i]chose[/I] religion. The violence and hatred spoke to them, and they decided to continue the conversation.
Manslaughter is just another form of communication; a means to spread a message, and to confront and condemn humans with their own mortality. We like to hurt people this way, because we ourselves are mortally wounded from birth.
Ignore it if you want to, but don't ask why something like this happened while simultaneously disregarding who we are.
If you disagree then, by all means, explain why. I'd start with explaining why you spend so much of your free time playing games that let you pretend to kill people. Is it because it's "just a game?" Because it's the way games are made? Or is it that
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[p]erhaps, you are doing what you were meant to do. Your human
mentality screams for vengeance and thrives on the violence
that you say you can hardly endure. Your father told you as a
child to always fight with honor, but to always fight. Do you
care about honor, or do you use honor as an excuse? An excuse
to exist in a violent world.
Organic beings are constantly fighting for life. Every
breath, every motion brings you one instant closer to your
death. With that kind of heritage and destiny, how can you
deny yourself? How can you expect yourself to give up
violence?
It is your nature.
Do you feel free?
-Durandal
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Happy Bungie Day.
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Sadly, this is true. We as a species are inherently violent. Also, I'm saving that Durandal quote. It's so epic.
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[quote]We don't kill because of religion. We don't kill because of morals. We don't kill because of beliefs.[/quote] Jesus christ, way to butt-blam!- your own thread with such contradictory logic a goddamn child would've spotted it.
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this is a dumb thread, what makes buddhists uncapable of killing in a normal situation?
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Edited by Uncle Putin: 7/9/2013 3:16:30 AMWe may not be able to avoid killing people, but the pure fact that a few twisted individuals got in control of huge armies does not mean that the rest of humanity [i]enjoys[/i] killing people. You say I play games that simulate killing people? Yes, I do indeed. However, there are multiple reasons why people kind these types of games fun. First of all, violent video games are not meant to purely appeal to our lust for killing. The reason why so many people play it is because it gets your adrenaline going, something that a lot of people enjoy. What better way to get your adrenaline going than to have your life on the line? That's why FPS are so popular because it appeals to our innate instincts to survive, not to kill. Second, video games are like "puppy play" to humans. Puppies fight with each other to better their skills should they ever need them in a real encounter. Likewise, even though video games might be extremely unrealistic, we have a need for puppy play. It's programmed into us to play-fight with each other so that we can better our skills in that regard. We don't play video games because we want to kill someone. We do it to prepare. Why do we watch people fight? First of all, it appeals to our sense of competition. We watch sports because we like to root for our favorite team and brag to our friends when we win. It again appeals to our adrenaline, because we are always on the verge of losing, we are always on edge. We don't do it because we like to kill people. We do it because nature has programmed us to prepare ourselves.
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Something I already knew.
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3 RepliesI really, really wish this didn't make so much sense. I don't want to agree with this. I want to believe that humans are fundamentally good. But after learning about these atrocities and hearing about them so often, it really makes me wonder about the true nature of mankind.
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1 ReplyEdited by Quantum: 7/8/2013 8:45:49 AM[quote]When even Buddhists murder, it should become obvious.[/quote] Where did this notion arrive that Buddhists are an almost universally peaceful group? Popular thought seems to be at fault here. Violence is an issue in areas of low socioeconomic status or high income inequality; I can partially agree that religion is only one cause in conflict. Although religion leads to numerous amounts of bigotry. Not everything has to be big and conventional to be recognized.
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Buddhism being a peaceful way of life is such a classic western stereotype propagated hard by the media its actually ridiculous. Do a little bit of reading under the surface and you'll quickly see the regular show up.
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So the voices....they aren't real?
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Oh, i know that people are inherently bad, we like to kill and dominate, without war, our society would never had made it this far to be honest.
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6 RepliesShut up, and stop being so cynical.
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9 Replies[quote]we [i]like[/i] to kill.[/quote]No.
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Finally, a freaking realist around here.
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thank you...
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You are a very cynical rabbit. You assume that due to our chaotic nature we are all predisposed to violent psychoticism. Don't worry, I'm not some hippy who believes that we became violent through the effects of civilization and currency, but I don't think that violence is is something that necessarily pleases the depths of our primeval depths either. People are can enjoy the satisfaction of violence as much as they can enjoy the satisfaction of charity, it really depends on who you are. If we were all as violent as you imply, then I very much doubt that we would have gotten around to building mud huts. You mentioned video games as evidence that by nature, we are inherently violent creatures. While yes, I do agree that many popular games are violent, I would like to point out that the popularity of the portal games is a chink in the armour of that portion of your argument. There's more to vieo games than the sating of our bloodthirsty cravings,we enjoy completing objectives, that's why video games aren't always just you, a bucket of ammo and a horde of zombified crazies. Our violent and sympathetic natures were and are very important to our survival as a species.
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Damn good segue. Modern Bungie could learn a thing or two from Marathon's writing.
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I like cheese.
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if you put a gun in my hand, shoved it in a strangers face, and told me to pull the trigger, actually pulling that trigger wouldn't be the first thing to come to my mind. I rest my case.
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1 ReplyBut.. Religon causes anger towards those who don't agree with their faith. Eventually, that anger can leaned to hatred, that then leads to cruel action.
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18 RepliesYou know why wars are fought? Territory, natural supplies, money. NOT religion. I can't think of a single war based on religion, and not the above causes.
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I agree that it is in our nature, but I believe that we are meant to overcome it. I play games as an escape, when I see things in the news that make me feel powerless, that are bordering on the line between black and white, I play some violent games. They simplify things, good and bad, right and wrong, they give me a sense of control in a world that has always been in chaos. They take me somewhere where I can see the beauty humanity has inside of it, even then I must admit I enjoy the violence, it's a sense of dominance a sense of skill in being unkillable. I do however still believe in honor, it's not just an excuse to me, but something that drives me to be better to act more considerate and caring to everyone. So in response to Durandal, yeah I feel free.
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[b]HAHA![/b] Buddhists kill to protect themselves from muslims!
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You just figured that out? Love the quote, by the way. Durandal has a lot of good ones.
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Yep, we're all just gonna kill each other. Better end ourselves now before we set the world on fire. Thanks for enlightening me, OP.
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Interesting idea, OP. Though, the game thing sounds like you pulled it from thin air.
