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Edited by Rampant: 7/14/2013 8:04:28 PM
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Why are people claiming racism in the Zimmerman trial?

If you look at the facts and leave race out of it, Zimmerman is innocent.

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  • 4chan has a pretty accurate depiction of the media portrayal of the case.

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    • Clearly Zimmerman is white, which makes him a monster!

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      • Duh

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        • Edited by DestinyFan4Lyfe: 7/15/2013 6:10:36 PM
          If you don’t understand how deeply and viciously racist has been the official and right-wing reaction to the murder of Trayvon Martin, all you have to do is consider what would have been the official and right-wing reaction had the races of Martin and his killer been reversed. Imagine a lanky white teenager was walking in a strange neighborhood at night. He’s a good kid—according to one of his teachers [url=http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-17/news/os-trayvon-martin-shooting-tension-20120317_1_shooting-death-english-teacher-uncle]an A and B student who majored in cheerfulness"[/url]—although he’s not above making the foolish teenaged mistake of getting caught with an empty baggie with marijuana residue inside it. But he has [url=http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57404732-504083/trayvon-martin-update-school-marijuana-suspension-no-criminal-record/] no criminal record.[/url] The worst anyone can say about him is that he smokes some pot, which puts him in the company of nearly half of all American high school students, something more than half of all American adults would legalize. But he’s a good student and has no criminal record. In other words, he’s a pretty typical teenager. A good kid. Then one night this typical teenager is walking alone in a strange neighborhood, munching on some junk food and talking on his cell phone. And remember that we’re reversing the races here, so now he’s a white kid walking alone in a strange neighborhood, and it’s a black man who steps out of an SUV and starts following him. A black man who outweighs the teen by nearly a hundred pounds. A black man who steps out of an SUV, pulls up a hoodie, and starts following the teen. The kid [url=http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57404732-504083/trayvon-martin-update-school-marijuana-suspension-no-criminal-record/]tells his friend on the cell phone[/url] that [url=http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/lawyer-girl-on-phone-with-trayvon-martin-moments-before-he-was-shot/1220972] someone is following him.[/url] He tells her because he doesn’t understand why someone is following him. He’s nervous. He’s just walking along, munching on junk food, and someone has started following him. Finally, he decides to confront the guy. Even though he is nervous, he probably can’t imagine that simply walking in a strange neighborhood would lead to someone shooting him dead. He’s standing up for himself, but the thought of violence, the thought of gunfire, doesn’t even enter his head. But when he confronts the big guy who had been following him, and asks why he has been following him, the big guy pulls a gun. It happens so suddenly, the teen probably barely has time to realize that something serious is now happening. This was just an innocent evening stroll, a big guy had started following him for no reason, and now his life is being threatened. This was just an innocent evening stroll, and now he’s looking at a gun. Pointed at him. By a big guy who had been following him for no reason. A big guy who now shoots him dead. [url=http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/15/2696446/trayvon-martin-case.html] Three witnesses later[/url] report having heard the [url=http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/31/1079557/-Orlando-Sentinel-Forensic-voice-identification-expert-says-screaming-is-not-George-Zimmerman-s] boy’s desperate cry for help.[/url] [url=http://cnninsession.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/martinpolicreport.pdf] The police report (pdf)[/url] says he was found face down, with his hands under him. He was carrying no weapon. He was carrying no drugs. He was carrying the type of junk food typical teenagers carry. In our reversal of races scenario, the story then is that a lanky white teen was walking in a strange neighborhood, snacking on junk food, talking to a friend on his cell phone, when a large black man stepped out of an SUV, started following him, frightened him, and shot him dead. Imagine the reaction. Now suppose we find out that the teen’s killer had a history of [url=http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/17/2700249/trayvon-martin-shooter-a-habitual.html-] race based paranoia.[/url] Suppose we find out that the [url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/12/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin_n_1340358.html] teen killer’s neighbors had complained of his aggressive behavior.[/url] Suppose we find out that the [url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/09/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin_n_1335984.html] teen’s killer had once been arrested for “resisting arrest with violence and battery on an officer."[/url] Suppose we find out that the teen’s killer that night had [url=http://www.orlandosentinel.com/videogallery/68871920/News/George-Zimmerman-911-call-reporting-Trayvon-Martin] ignored a police dispatcher[/url] who had told him to stop following the teen. And suppose that after all that, the much larger black man who had stepped out of an SUV, pulled up a hoodie, and started following the white teen had ended up shooting the white teen dead. What would have been the official response? What would have been the right-wing reaction? Would a police officer have tried to [url=http://www.orlandosentinel.com/videogallery/68871920/News/George-Zimmerman-911-call-reporting-Trayvon-Martin] coach a witness [/url] to change her story? Would the local state attorney and police chief have [url=http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/03/28/453675/sanford-police-recommended-charging-zimmerman-with-martins-death/?mobile=nc] overruled [/url] even the [url=http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-investigator-wanted-charge-george-zimmerman-manslaughter/story?id=16011674#.UeQ5p2TXhe5] lead homicide investigator,[/url] who recommended that the killer be charged with manslaughter? Would the police have [url=http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-investigator-wanted-charge-george-zimmerman-manslaughter/story?id=16011674#.UeQ5p2TXhe5]neglected[/url] even to give the killer a routine drug and alcohol test? Would [url=http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/21/2706876_p2/sanford-commission-votes-no-confidence.html#storylink=cpy] the police[/url] have neglected to contact whomever the kid was talking to on the phone just moments before he was shot, ignored the witnesses who contradicted the killer’s story, and later reported that the killer had been bloodied in a confrontation with the dead teen, even though the real time reports suggested no such thing, and even though the police [url=http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/29/1078513/-Trayvon-Martin-family-lawyer-police-surveillance-video-of-shooter-is-icing-on-the-cake]surveillance video[/url] shows the killer had no discernible wounds or discomfort, and even though the [url=http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/03/28/funeral-director-saw-no-signs-fight-trayvons-hands]funeral director[/url] who prepared the dead teen’s body for burial says there was no evidence he had been in a fight? If Trayvon Martin had been white and George Zimmerman black, this would not have become a national story. If they had reported it at all, the right-wing media would have praised Martin for trying to stand his ground before a dangerous violent thug. It defies credulity to think they would be [url=http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/27/1078318/-Rush-Limbaugh-Trayvon-Martin-shooter-just-got-a-little-overzealous]dismissing the killer’s behavior,[/url] making [url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/23/geraldo-rivera-trayvon-martin-hoodie_n_1375080.html]despicable excuses[/url] such as [url=http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/26/1076923/-Bill-O-Reilly-joins-Geraldo-to-support-a-no-hoodie-dress-code-for-thee-not-he]blaming the kid’s clothing,[/url] or if— unthinkable in this reversing-the-races scenario—there had been no criminal charges filed against the killer, [url=http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/03/24/fox-news-watch-fails-media-criticism-101-in-tra/184937]dismissing the story altogether.[/url] The questions here don’t even need answers. The questions answer themselves. Had Trayvon Martin been white and George Zimmerman black, Zimmerman would be headed for death row. Right-wing media would be hailing Martin as a hero. A martyr who had stood his ground against a dangerous predator. They would be saying that it’s too bad Martin hadn’t somehow fought back against Zimmerman, and that if he had somehow succeeded in fighting a man so much larger than him, it would have been justifiable if he had left Zimmerman dead. There is no polite way to explain what has happened. There is no polite way to explain the reflexive defensive rationalizations by the right-wing media and their right-wing fans. This was a racist killing with a racist cover-up and the right wing’s reaction has been virulently and viciously racist. To understand the depth of the right wing’s racist depravity, all it takes is to consider the very different reaction to this horror had the races of the victim and his killer been reversed.

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          • Well, mostly because of this, I suppose. If their races were switched it would have been open and shut, because the justice system in America is really biased against minorities. I pretty much don't care. None of that effected me, so...

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            • Zimmerman wasn't properly trained to be a watchman, which resulted in the unfortunate death of Trayvon Martin.

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              • Because if youre getting attacked or robbed by a person of african-american descent youre not supposed to do anything, if you do fight back its a hate crime.

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              • Because a black person was killed, people think this case should be treated differently.

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              • Because #mediaignorance

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              • People are to racist these days (yes everybody no excuse), to the point they cant tell the difference between other races but their own.

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              • Lol at the bans, nothing more to add here.

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              • I think its quite clear by the number of racist posts surrounding Trayvon's history that there is a racism issue in this case. Just see this forum, I wonder how many report messages were given for people like Kikashi.

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                • Because a black guy would have been convicted, if you don't think that's the case then you're in denial.

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                  • Most likely because one of them is black. If both were black, or both were white, no one would be making a big deal-but because a white guy shot a black guy in self defense it's instantly racist and the guys "head should roll". If it was a black man who shot a white man they'd all be saying how zimmerman was attacking the guy and he had pure rights to defend himself. It's almost reverse racism. Which is actually a thing. Race should have absolutely ZERO place in politics and law.

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                  • [quote]I think its quite clear by the number of racist posts surrounding Trayvon's history that there is a racism issue in this case.[/quote]

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                  • Man: All right, ladies and gentlemen. We're gonna ask you a series of questions to determine whether or not you can be impartial jurors. First off, do any of you have any prejudices you feel the court should know of? [Peter rises his hand] Man: Yes, you sir. Peter: Ants. I hate ants. Man: What? Peter: That's right, you heard me. I'm an ant hater. Just like my daddy and his daddy before him. So, if this is an ant trial, forget it. Now way I'm gonna be fair. Always making those cocky little hills. Moving around all single file and stupid. All ganging up and walking my pie off the picnic blanket. [spoiler]how people view the jurors in this trial[/spoiler]

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                  • People are ignorant beyond belief.

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                    • Started a new topic: Opinion on the "race card" in Trayvon Martin Case - A Black Guy's Perspective(2 Replies))

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                      • Edited by Gay Snake: 7/14/2013 10:02:16 PM
                        You can't leave race out of it because race is an essential part of this case. I can't believe the Bungie community is really this racist. The flood is so ass backwards from everything Bungie stands for its sad. However, it is refreshing to see what people really think, to hear what I always thought people were thinking.

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                      • Because the media is race baiting.

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                      • Fix your title. Stupid people are the only ones claiming it to be racist.

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                        • It was the work of both the media and politicians that made the whole case a race thing. Besides, sweet little Trayvon was under the influence when [b]he assaulted Zimmerman[/b]. Zimmerman acted simply out of self-defense when he was pinned to the ground by someone who was older than the public made him out to be during the first few weeks following the incident. Trayvon was dangerous, had a bad record, and was a pure attacker through and through. Overall, it's merely a one-cell case that's been inflated for the purpose of entertaining the public, while also purposely stirring up racial tension for political affairs.

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                        • Cause people are racist so they assume since it was a white and black guy it's an issue

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                        • To be fair, you can still be racist and not break the law at the same time.

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                        • Innocent? lol No. I don't think this was a race thing on the Zimmerman side of things though. He ignored police, armed himself and followed the kid who was shot point blank range I believe (not sure) He had no reason to do those things. Even if the shot fired was in self defense he never should have been in that position in the first place.

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