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7/15/2013 7:15:53 PM
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If time travel existed...

How do you think it would work? From what I noticed, most movies and shows have one of these two approaches to time travel; Being able to change the present. Like in Looper, where if you went back and changed something, it would effect the current present. This concept kind of confuses me, I mean, it should make more sense because if you went back and done something differently, naturally you would expect your presented to be affected depending on your actions. However in Looper, they used time travel to send your older self back to be killed by your younger self, so when you done that, then got old once again, would your younger selves keep killing your older selves? Will there be never ending yous and keep living different lives each time? Then there's the whatever you done while time traveling, had already happened, and you cannot change the present no matter what, approach. I think I like this one more, because while you're experiencing it for the first time, you weren't aware that you actually played a part in what happened in the past. Seems more interesting to me and less confusing, because it doesn't matter what you attempt to do while time traveling, whatever had happened, is inevitable. So, if time travel were to exist or if it were to be invented, how do you think it will work? Like one of the two examples I listed, or something different altogether?

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    One of the more feasible methods of time travel is actually based off of Einstein's concept that gravity is a space-time geometry, so basically that time and gravity are related (i.e. gravity is a distortion in space-time). You know, the man who spent the most time in space (I forgot his name) has (technically speaking) traveled in time, because since gravity is obviously significantly less in space, time also (according to the theory of Special Relativity) is actually different in space (basically it slows down), and since this astronaut spent so much time in space, technically speaking he is somewhere around 0.20 milliseconds younger than everyone else. Here's the link [url]http://pillownaut.blogspot.ca/2012/05/worlds-first-time-traveler.html[/url] Stephen Hawking used an analogy for this. Imagine two identical twins are born on Earth and say when they're both 20, one of them is put on a spaceship that travels close to the speed of light, while the other stays on Earth. Now, let's leap ahead 50 years later, when the twin on Earth is 70 and the other twin slows down his ship and decides to go back to Earth. Since the astronaut twin that was travelling close to the speed of light (~3.0*10^8 m/s), , time slowed exponentially for him, and technically speaking, he wouldn't have aged at all or aged very little (i.e. he'll still look like he's in his early 20s while his twin brother who stayed on Earth looks his grandfather)! A black hole is like a massive distortion in space time (the fourth dimension), so basically time slows down there as well because the gravity is so immense (ya know, not even light can escape the power of a black hole). Stephen Hawking, although not a supporter of the notion of building time machines and going into the past, does believe in this type of time travel. One theory that he supports on how the method of "time travel" I described earlier is to get a bunch of astronauts on a space ship and fly [b]really[/b] close to a black hole as long as it does not cross into the black hole's event horizon (the region where it is impossible for any type of matter to escape the gravitation force of a black hole). Basically, since space-time is altered in the area around the black hole, time slows down for the astronauts in the space ship around the black hole, and compared to Earth time would be much less....depending on how fast the spaceship is traveling. But feasibly, using this method, decades could be mere years for people in the spaceship around the blackhole. Another really cool idea I saw on the show "Universe" on H2 the other day was some astrophysicists were saying--*theoretically*--it could be possible to build a train that moves at the speed of light (but of course, the train would circle the earth, and probably would need lots of isolated land mass---and tracks that cross over all the oceans) but basically, the "passengers" of the train would also experience the effects of distorted space time (the incredibly fast speeds would affect gravity, which would affect time, essentially slowing it down) so people in this train could, theoretically speaking, be in this train for a century, and be the same age when they get off the train a century later. Another interesting aspect of space time is the Alcubierre device. So basically, it's a possible solution to how NASA could travel to distant stars---cause current space crafts travel at 0.0004 (?) percent the speed of light, or something like that, so a trip to alpha centauri would take tens of thousands of years for our current space craft to take----which is sad considering the stars in the centauri system (alpha centauri, beta centauri, and proxima centuari) are the closest to our sun. But the Alcubierre device ([url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive[/url]) basically, in a nutshell, also distorts space time so, hypothetically speaking, a spacecraft could achieve faster than light speed (NASA is actually getting to work on this as we speak to try to make this theoretical work possible---but it'll probably take a really really long time before anything tangible comes from this research-----[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White%E2%80%93Juday_warp-field_interferometer[/url]). But the problem here is that, since you're traveling faster than the speed of light, space time (the fourth dimension) gets altered too in this "hyperspace" of sorts, so people would experience alterations in time because gravity is significantly affected when you go at really really fast speeds (basically the whole time slowing down stuff), so a trip to a really far place like a star system in the Andromeda galaxy (the closest galaxy to the Milky Way Galaxy) and back could be (feasibly) only a few years to people traveling in the altered space-time hyperspace--but could be centuries, or even millena (!) for people on Earth. This is one of the more feasible methods of "time travel" a lot of current physicists (even Stephen Hawking--who is a really big critic of time machines that could allow people to go back in time) believe in. Maybe, a few centuries down the road, we could actually try out this nifty experiment and get some astronauts to circle around a black hole (but not close enough to get consumed by its ferocious force) and measure how much time has passed for them. But to the time machine thing, where you can go back to time and alter the past, there's a lot of debate on whether or not this is possible. Stephen Hawking as I mentioned before, really hates this idea, and even kind of did a pretty stupid experiment to prove his point. He basically held a "time traveler's party" and sent out invitations all over the place, and asserted that people in the future would hear about his party and, if these people in the future had built time machines, would travel back in time to his party. No one showed up, and then Stephen Hawking was all like "SEE? told ya time machines are a bunch of horse shit" (I'm paraphrasing to a significant degree) but yeah basically that's "a lot of evidence to him" ( I mean, hypothetically speaking, there could be a chance that there are time machines in the future, except no one gave enough -blam!-s to go Stephen Hawking's party or, more likely, wouldn't want to alter human history by exposing themselves or future technology). Hawking didn't ever really mention that in his "I'm probably right" speech. But a lot of brilliant minds sometimes do stuff like that. Newton, one of the founders of calculus and physicist extraordinaire, actually spent very little time doing mathematics and physics comapred to predicting the next doomsday---or ingesting copious amounts of mercury during his little alchemy "experiments" (mercury is a really poisonous chemical, that can potentially kill or cause serious health problems like psychoses and paranoia). Though, one of Hawking's more rational arguments against travel into the past is that, the way to achieve this actually through black holes, or (theoretical structures) called wormholes---and both involve getting through A LOT of radiation (even supporters of time travel acknowledge the radiation bit), I mean black holes emit a really large amount of gamma radiation, and going through one of these, even if you had the power to not be ripped to shreds by the black hole would involved going through unimaginable amounts of deadly radiation that, according to Stephen Hawking, would be impossible to survive through. [url=http://bigthink.com/dr-kakus-universe/is-time-travel-possible]Michio Kaku wrote a nice summary of it on his blog [/url] (cont.)

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