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originally posted in:Secular Sevens
Edited by Mad Max:
7/30/2013 3:10:14 AM
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Are science and religion compatible?
Personally, I find the idea of simultaneous support for both religion and science wholly incompatible. Here's my thought process:
- Scientists support the [url=http://www.sciencebuddies.org/science-fair-projects/overview_scientific_method2.gif]scientific method[/url].
- Faith-based religion conflicts with the scientific method, as religion skips/ignores steps in the scientific method.
- One cannot support the scientific method while simultaneously supporting faith-based religion.
One cannot truly support both science and religion; you're compromising your support in one or the other.
Thoughts? Explain your position.
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This question isn't as intellectual as it used to be.
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16 RepliesI think that the two are not mutually exclusive. A scientist can be religious and scientific at the same time, but you just have to be careful that your religious views don't get in the way of science. If an experiment directly contradicts something that the Bible or whatever holy book you claim to be true, you must take a look to see if your interpretation of the holy book is true and accurate, if the passage was speaking in allegorical or metaphorical terms, or if there is any other reason why your interpretation might be wrong. If you have decided inconclusively that a passage 100% contradicts a scientific fact, you need to rethink your world view. There is nothing wrong with believing something that is inherently unknowable. What I do believe is that the "god of the gaps" has cast a seriously bad reputation on Christianity. Unfortunately, a wide majority of Christians seem to cater to this type of belief. It gives me personally a bad reputation, because people will automatically think that I think like that the second I tell them I'm Christian, even before they get to know me. The Bible tells us that we must learn from nature and heed to its teachings, but many Christians misinterpret these types of passages into this mindset that if we don't know how something works, God must be doing it. So my bottom line is that yes, they can intertwine, but you must be careful that you are taking everything from an objective point of view, and not letting what others have taught you get in the way of an open mind.
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5 RepliesEdited by Hoggle: 8/8/2013 1:22:31 AMLol people taking this seriously.
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Trim religion down to each individuals spirituality, make the message about peace and tolerance then get creationism out off our schools, then they can co-exist.
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Yes. If you don't go either extremes.
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2 RepliesOne word: Scientology.
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Lots of religions.
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It is not an incompatibility between science and religion ... it is an incompatibility between the people of practice in which the issue exists. No different than between various religions (so many wars), nor between different branches of science. To say you cannot truly support both only highlights the limits of that individual. Even a true scientist would welcome a chance to prove his own theory, and consider alternate findings.
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Yes and no. Many aspects of religion are supernatural, and science only deals within nature. They can co-exist, but mix.
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The more we know about science, the less credibility is left for religion.
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I think is some small aspects yet, but they can never exist harmoniously.
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Edited by john5550: 7/31/2013 12:23:49 AMYes and no. As science advances religion becomes less prominent, loses power and followers. Many scientists are religious and simply choose what they accept from their religion like everyone else. As science gains more and more ground there will be less religious people but I think people being able to notice the effects of religion are the ultimate deterrent. Edit: Also they have give up some of what their scripture commands as thinks progress. Look at Christians. They're not burning witches at the stake anymore.
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I would believe they both can be, I don't see why not.
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Yes. When was the last Atheist vs Theist war? A better question is whether Religion and Religion are compatible.
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Edited by Goatman: 7/30/2013 5:32:10 AM
Started a new topic: To: the "secular sevens"(24 Replies))
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6 RepliesI would say yes, but go on to note that it depends on the context. For example, using religious doctrine as literature/evidence in an attempt to prove something in the scientific domain is pretty clearly inappropriate. Likewise, an attempt to use a scientific methodology to prove a religious/faith-based claim would be inappropriate as well. Take the existence of a god, for example. From a religious perspective, god(s) exist. That's what I like to refer to as a "religious truth", because it's only true within the domain of religion. From the scientific perspective, it's a null answer - neither yes nor no - since the existence nor non-existence of a god can't be proven. The problem arises when people who believe there is only one kind of truth have no consideration for the truths held in other domains and ride roughshod over them. However, what I do have a particular issue with is attempts at making a compromise between the two in other contexts. Some schools, for example, require students to be immunised to be eligible for enrolment, but parents are permitted to circumvent this for "religious reasons". I don't know exactly what that encompasses, but I do not think it is an acceptable excuse when such actions put everyone in danger.
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Like peanut butter and ham.
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No, not at all. The entire bases of apologist arguments to save their asses from being ridiculed by science is "God is infinite and is outside of our reality, therefore science doesn't apply." On top of that, the definition of miracle counters science also.
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Hey Arrogant Bastard!
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Yes, both were originally thought to be magic. One harnessed that while the other condemned it.
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7 RepliesOnly if you assume that religious texts are meant to be taken completely literally, which for most isn't the case.
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4 RepliesAs a Muslim I believe in science and I believe in Islam. I believe that God does something and the process can sometimes be explained through science.
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They can coexist in the same world, but they can also not coexist in the same world at the same time.
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7 RepliesGod created science, problem solved.
