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Edited by The Great DanTej: 10/22/2013 9:03:56 AM
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What's with this new definition of gender?

If you try and make gender into an umbrella term that covers everything from sexuality to your feelings about pants this morning, then the word becomes meaningless as it encapsulates anything and everything and absolutely nothing, and so you've achieved less than nothing. It's as bad as those people who are trying to make -blam!- mean "any contact of any kind with anyone I don't personally like"...
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  • The idea that a “woman is made, not born” has been around as long as feminism as a political ideology has been around. Standard feminist doctrine insists that gender, and the qualities of being masculine or feminine, are imposed entirely by culture. Women are not particularly suited to compassion. Men are not particularly suited to aggression. The predominant patriarchal culture insists that women and men display those characteristics, and so they do, and by changing culture, one can change gender. Feminists stay far away from the field of evolutionary biology and psychology because the evidence from those disciplines strongly suggests that, oops, gender is NOT a social construct. Sexual dimorphism is a simple fact. Men are bigger, faster and stronger than women. They have more muscle mass, more testosterone and a larger bone structure than women. It’s an indisputable fact. It’s also why men and women’s sporting events are strictly segregated. There wouldn’t be ANY women’s sports if they had to compete with men. The idea that perhaps a specific psychology evolved along with that dimorphism sends feminists into a tizzy of denial and obfuscation. The website Jezebel (Celebrity, Sex and Fashion for Women- way to COUNTER those stereotypes about women!) consistently excoriates evolutionary psychology because Nah, Nah, we don’t like the conclusions! http://jezebel.com/5941433/you-can-tell-evolutionary-psychology-isnt-true-because-its-not-true You can go to almost any feminist website and encounter the idea that gender is socially constructed. http://feministing.com/2011/06/20/the-personal-is-political-princess-parties/ http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/dialogues/features/1997/evolution_and_the_brain/_2.html If gender is simply a social construct, how then can people be born KNOWING they are the wrong gender? Slate’s Dear Prudence advises a woman whose husband is undergoing gender reassignment surgery, transitioning from a man to a woman, telling her that she is well within her rights to dissolve her marriage. I happen to agree with that advice, but the more interesting thing is HOW does HE know that he’s a SHE? http://www.slate.com/articles/life/dear_prudence/2012/11/dear_prudence_do_i_have_to_stay_with_my_transgender_husband.html I can’t imagine anything more horrifying than KNOWING myself to be a man, trapped in the soft, small body of a woman. It must be an intense personal agony to be in that position, and I fully support the rights of transgendered people to have a very necessary surgical correction to a shocking problem. Transgendered people are deeply, disturbingly sick, and they deserve to have treatment for their sickness. It’s a medical issue, in my opinion. It’s not a cultural issue, although there are probably catalysts in the culture (like artificial hormones) that create the problem in the first place. But it’s a very real problem, and that offers irrefutable evidence that GENDER IS NOT SOCIALLY CONSTRUCTED. Most men are men, and they know themselves to be men. Most women are women, and they know themselves to be women. Some men are actually women, and some women are actually men, but everybody knows INTRINSICALLY which gender they are. There is no element of social construction to it. Why then are feminists so insistent that gender is socially constructed? I think it’s because feminism is not a doctrine of equality (that’s not possible, because we ARE different from men, like it or not), but rather one of supremacy. Feminism seeks to define women as not equal to, but better than men. It’s a political ideology determined to supress masculine qualities and venerate feminine ones, and the idea that one CHOOSES whether they are feminine or masculine makes it reasonable to enforce the feminine on everybody. http://www.angryharry.com/esEqualityNotAchievable.htm I wonder about the poor man in the Dear Prudence letter, trapped in the wrong body, who is now going to lose his marriage and his wife. Does he choose such torment? I don’t think so. The existence of transgender people is proof gender is innate. We know who we are. And we all deserve to live in a world where we are allowed to BE who we are. Allowed to be women, and allowed to be men.

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    • Edited by Charlemagne: 10/22/2013 2:22:33 PM
      Gender = psychological Sex = physiological/biological Sexual orientation = the sex(es) or gender(s) some is attracted to. Gender is fluid and more of an identifying choice while sex is what you're born with. Some people chemically, emotionally, and mentally don't match their sex so they identify as what they fit (which is obviously fine). The way chemicals act in their bodied may affect who they are (i.e. a male born in a female's body, a female born is a male's, etc.) and many times they grow up very confused. Some people simply choose to identify as something other than their sex while some people feel they don't even have a gender. There are also people who are born with a rare sex or a mix of some sort who don't just identify by that because that isn't all they are; they too choose whichever gender suits them the best. In the end, it's all fine.

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      • Because the world isn't a children's book of simple definitions and binary orientations.

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        • You're starting a shit-storm with this.

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        • Are you retarded? Gender and sex have always been different.

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          • Gender? What is gender? Isn't everyone the same?

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          • Edited by Claire: 10/22/2013 8:10:25 PM
            Whether they have boy parts or girl parts.

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          • Edited by brandorobot: 10/22/2013 6:31:47 PM
            I couldnt care less whether someone wants to be male or female.

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          • [quote]What do we mean by "sex" and "gender"? Sometimes it is hard to understand exactly what is meant by the term "gender", and how it differs from the closely related term "sex". "Sex" refers to the biological and physiological characteristics that define men and women. "Gender" refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviours, activities, and attributes that a given society considers appropriate for men and women. To put it another way: "Male" and "female" are sex categories, while "masculine" and "feminine" are gender categories. Aspects of sex will not vary substantially between different human societies, while aspects of gender may vary greatly. Some examples of sex characteristics : Women menstruate while men do not Men have testicles while women do not Women have developed breasts that are usually capable of lactating, while men have not Men generally have more massive bones than women Some examples of gender characteristics : In the United States (and most other countries), women earn significantly less money than men for similar work In Viet Nam, many more men than women smoke, as female smoking has not traditionally been considered appropriate In Saudi Arabia men are allowed to drive cars while women are not In most of the world, women do more housework than men [/quote]

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          • Edited by Fashion Lizard: 10/22/2013 2:27:07 PM
            Because some people are all freaky deaky and want to get a sex change so they can become homosexual. My gender's giraffe. I'm just a giraffe in a man's body.

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            • Do you have a dick? If not, then you're a woman. As simple as.

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            • Edited by Gatsby: 10/22/2013 1:08:52 PM
              100% Agree, gender is either penis or vagina. Not whether you feel like a boy or a girl. Thats messed up.

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              • My gender is fgt. It is very alpha.

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              • Yes, please post more sh1t from Wikipedia!

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              • A small group trying to change the language because they don't like it. Don't worry about it.

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                • Edited by The Knight: 10/22/2013 2:29:35 PM
                  Well, I'm sure this thread will be warmly received.

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                • Penis or Vagina = gender What you like to do and wear = personality

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                • Interesting, I just read my Sociology assignment this week, and guess what, it's on gender and sexuality lol. If my textbook is at all trustworthy, it would seem nothing is blatantly wrong with our current system, yes there is increased risk of harassment for women, and yes as a guy I am persecuted by radical feminists, but it's not that bad at all. So IDK why people whine about being considered male or female.

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                  • Political correctness.

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                    • I don't think there's any way around it, bro. Not like people are just going to stop being who they are because it's all getting too complicated for you to comfortably handle.

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                    • Your gender is either Female or Male. It's got nothing to do with your sexuality and your preferences.

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                    • It's those gosh darn Communists trying to socialize gender!

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                      • Huh?

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