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Edited by lonepaul2441:
11/13/2013 2:43:31 PM
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3 people died during SAS selection, Should things change?
[quote]The HSE has issued a formal notice on the MoD after the deaths of three Army reservists on SAS selection tests in the Brecon Beacons.
In July L/Cpl Craig Roberts, L/Cpl Edward Maher and Cpl James Dunsby died after a hike on one of the hottest days of the year.
The notice requires the Ministry to take action to deal with risks arising from its military selection exercises.
An investigation into the deaths is continuing.
The soldiers were on a 40-mile (64km) hike over the Brecon Beacons in Powys on 13 July when temperatures reached 29.5C (85F).
They were among six men rescued from the mountain during an exercise, which had been part of a four-week trial for the Territorial Army's SAS reservists.[/quote]
These men knew the risks when going for the selection, the process is difficult and known from time to time that people die.
How on earth is the SAS supposed to have the most strict and rigorous selection and training regime in the world and yet expect to "cut risks"? Surely they must be ready to fight anywhere which is why they go to America to train the desert.
The desert is hotter than Britains hottest days easily. This is stupid.
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6 RepliesThey wont be missed. *sips tea*
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1 ReplyThe spetsnaz says hello. [spoiler]SAS are badasses because of their training.[/spoiler]
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1 Replynothing should be changed.
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Listen it must be investigated, as it should not have happened, a selection exercise is just that, not the real war and should never result in death. It was poor leadership and improper care of the men that led to tis tragedy, and it was just that. Now leaders must pat with loss of their careers for such a poor job done, I hope that the families of the leaders suffer for the bad job done as the families of the brave men and women that tried to get selected to become an elite soldier and risk their lives for us all.
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I wish 85°F was the hottest it ever got here, and I'm in the north as far as the US is concerned.
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3 RepliesHey SAS, Russia's calling you out.
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1 Reply>Dying in 85 degree Fahrenheit weather >my sides
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No of course not, they Idea of SAS selection is to ensure that only the best make it through, if you "Cut risks" you bring down the whole Regiment. Besides, if you're going for the SAS, you should be aware that there's a risk of death simply in going through even Phase 1 of selection, let alone Phase 2 & 3.
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2 RepliesThey died from 85 degree weather?! Holy shit what kind of pussies were these? But seriously, 85 degrees is like perfect weather for hiking. I bet you these guys weren't killed due to the heat, something else made them bite the dust.
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6 RepliesEdited by HurtfulTurkey: 11/13/2013 3:26:40 PMThey shouldn't lower standards, but regardless of toughness, you can't overcome heat stroke by being a badass. It was irresponsible and wasteful. Whoever was in charge of that hike did not use proper ORM.
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2 RepliesPeople should not die training for the SAS. This isn't ancient Sparta. Of course the training should be extreme, but if someone looks/feels like they're going to die of exhaustion, they should not be penalised for bowing out.
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They need better medics on the look out
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No, it should not change. To get the best these things sometimes need to happen. It is unfortunate, but they perfectly knew the risks when going up for selection and if they managed to make SAS.
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The group is an elite branch of whatever military branch it comes from. The candidates should know the risks and what it means to be in the group. This is a test to make sure they only put in the best of the best and it may seem harsh, but if they couldn't make the test they didn't have a place in the group.
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I think the blame should be pointed to whoever was in charge of the hike; everyone should have been probably hydrated, and if some individuals were too tired, they should've just quit and headed back at a reasonable pace.
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Being American it is not my place to say one way or another. But, if the selection process is voluntary, and those entering know the risks, then I think it should stay the same.
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Just looked up average humidity in the UK and I'm not surprised they suffered "heat related illness". I'd personally say that's a lapse in judgment on the instructors parts for not allowing adequate water supplies. I don't know all of the circumstances of the training exercise so I can't confidently say something should change one way or another though.
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Edited by MoReCoWbELLx2x1: 11/13/2013 4:58:40 PMI'm sorry, but they want to be considered the best of the best, yet they get heat stroke and die in 85 degree weather? Sorry, if you can't handle 85 degree weather, please find another job
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3 Replies>SAS >dying from training >getting bitched at for having deaths during training Are they [i]not[/i] the toughest, or is that a rumor?
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2 RepliesHydration, hydration, hydration. You shouldn't be dying of (what I assume was) heatstroke in 85 degree weather.
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They don't need to change the training. They just need people there to treat them if something goes wrong. Nobody has ever died of hypothermia in BUD/S because they are treated properly.
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2 RepliesThey shouldn't change the tests, but they should monitor them more closely, with modern tech it wouldn't be to hard to put a wireless body temperature monitor on them. That way if someone hits a dangerous temperature they can tell them to slow down.
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5 RepliesI concur. There's a reason the SAS are the best in the world.
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No, the SAS need to remain the best of the best. It's tragic that those 3 men died during the training but it's the toughest training for a reason. If they'd have died out in combat they would have let their squad down and possibly compromised the mission they were on. All this bloody cotton wool culture is now starting to get into the bloody army as well >.<
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If it will save only one life, i think we need change.
