originally posted in:Psykana Librarius
Over the last year there has been some interesting research into Psychopaths, I would have posted about this earlier but it slipped my mind until I was too busy to do so. Anyway! Here we go, a thread on how Psychopaths actually [i]can[/i] feel empathy for other people, but it seems to be a selective ability hence the name 'Empathy Switch' which was coined by the researchers who found this.
[quote][url=http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/content/136/8/2550.full.pdf]Psychopathy is a personality disorder associated with a profound lack of empathy. Neuroscientists have associated empathy and its interindividual variation with how strongly participants activate brain regions involved in their own actions, emotions and
sensations while viewing those of others. Here we compared brain activity of 18 psychopathic offenders with 26 control subjects
while viewing video clips of emotional hand interactions and while experiencing similar interactions. Brain regions involved in
experiencing these interactions were not spontaneously activated as strongly in the patient group while viewing the video clips.
However, this group difference was markedly reduced when we specifically instructed participants to feel with the actors in the
videos. Our results suggest that psychopathy is not a simple incapacity for vicarious activations but rather reduced spontaneous
vicarious activations co-existing with relatively normal deliberate counterparts.[/url][/quote] Vicarious activations are referring to empathetic responses, something previously thought nonexistant in Psychopaths.
This is quite a groundbreaking piece of research because previously the widely accepted belief was that Psychopaths lacked emotions, or the capacity to have them and so were unable to feel empathy. With this research (Peer reviewed and approved) showing otherwise and other studies potentially in the works attempting to replicate the results it offers a decent glimmer of hope to people with Psychopathy or those who's lives have been affected by a Psychopath in the family. It could be possible for a therapist/Psychiatrist to train/treat them into having a normal (If potentially reduced) emotional reaction to stimuli rather than faked emotions or none at all.
This is the crucial piece though [quote]Now scientists have found that only when asked to empathise did the criminals' empathy reaction, also known as the mirror system, fire up the same way as it did for the controls. Without instruction, they show reduced activity in the regions of the brain associated with pain.[/quote] It means that it was not an autonomic response but a triggered one, which means that in the same way that CBT can be used to 'train' someone to stop a certain behaviour it is feasible for a Psychopath to be trained to automatically activate their 'empathy switch'.
A countering opinion though by Professor Viding from UCL (University College of London) is that -
[quote] '"It's dangerous to look at brain activation and say that it means they're empathising. They are able to generate a typical neural response, but that doesn't mean they have the same empathetic experience," Prof Viding told BBC News. "We know they can generate the same response but they do that in an active and effortful way. Under free-viewing conditions they don't seem to. Just because they can empathise, doesn't mean they will. '[/quote]
Now mild apologies if this thread is full of big words, but it's difficult to break down more complex Neurology/Psychiatric terms without losing their meaning in the process :l If you want clarification on anything, just ask and I'll do my best to help you out. I know that quite a few people are interested/fascinated by Psychopathy and so hopefully this thread will be informative for them. There are a couple of individuals who may find this particularly interesting but I shan't name names.
Links and Sources[spoiler] My university course is giving me flak for not putting enough references in so I might as well practise <.<[/spoiler]http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/content/136/8/2550.full.pdf
http://www.occupycorporatism.com/10-facts-psychopaths-discovered-uc-brain-scan-study/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23431793
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Bumped, 'cause science!
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I seem the have this empathy switch, surely my lack of feelings or not feelings towards others and things in my life doesn't classify me as a psychopath right?
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I know a few people who this would apply to
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Thanks for the info, I believe I understand what your talkig about;) I do.
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That's cool, but what's the deal with the flood and groups with latin phrases? Is it some kind of mental thing that makes people think latin is cool? Shit even my based god group has latin.
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[quote]emotional hand interactions[/quote]lolwut
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What I find most interesting about this subject is the [i]conscious[/i] activation/deactivation of empathy. Many, if not most psychopaths are capable of feeling empathy and have done before, yet there is a lack of it when they commit heinous acts where empathy would act as a deterrent. So are they simply unable to control when they feel empathy, or are they able to control it and choose not to feel it in situations where they want to satiate their psychopathic tendencies?
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Did you know that Cannabis can treat this lack of feel that a Psychopaths has?
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Well, this doesn't surprise me, but fantastic how complete this research is.
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[quote]Our results suggest that psychopathy is not a simple incapacity for vicarious activations but rather reduced spontaneous vicarious activations co-existing with relatively normal deliberate counterparts.[/quote] Empathy is supposed to be spontaneous. If psychopaths can mimic it when they try to it's the same as an actor crying on cue. It's fake. The definition for psychopath remains unchanged, but I guess the study proves that they can fake emotion just as well as anyone.
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This is very interesting, I'd imagine the use of CBT to condition a empathic response from a psychopath to work, but not to the extent in which it's genuine. If a person centred approach was used to underpin the CBT a deeper understanding of the emotions, scenarios and people involved with the empathic reaction would be provided for the psychopath. Assuming this approach works, the empathic response would be more real......would take a lot of time though
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Ok, thread is now public :D
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Edited by cxkxr: 1/16/2014 9:32:48 PMLet's put the shoe on the other foot: What if psychopaths aren't inherently emotionless people who can then turn it on, but rather extremely emotional people who turn it off as a defense mechanism?
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Quite fascinating! I'll have to share this with my Psychology teacher, she'd definitely find this interesting.
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Not something I follow closely, but mirror neurons were something Frans De Waal talked about a lot in his books. From what I understood, in normal people. the mirror neurons are working on a subconscious level, automatically, and almost instantaneously. To be able to turn on and off such a basic subsystem of the brain seems pretty incredible, like learning how to hold your breath until you die from lack of oxygen.
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Awesome!
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Oh crap, i think i have this.
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I guess that explains why I'm currently quite upset when I neither expected myself to be nor would normally be.
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Well done. I wonder if children born with psychopathic tendencies can be fixed by good parenting.
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This interests me...for reasons other than curiosity.