[quote]I beat them first try[/quote] This is a common response despite the wiki implying otherwise... Strange. I almost got them my second try when doing the harder fight (I'm getting that Leo Ring and Ornstein's set!). But I flaked as Ornstein was at a sliver of health, tried to run back heal up with Estus, and he lightning bolted me in the back. Much rage. Who did you kill first?