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3/16/2014 1:46:44 AM
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Parents of unvaccinated children should lose state benefits/services
You might have heard recently that Measles, after being eradicated in the US 14 years ago, [url=http://gizmodo.com/measles-are-back-in-new-york-city-thanks-to-anti-vax-ab-1543787681]has returned with cases reported in New York, San Diego, Boston, and Vancouver as well[/url]. Given that the efforts of anti-vaccination groups seem to be unfortunately paying off, do you think there should be an added incentive for parents to vaccinate their children? Specifically, if a child is not vaccinated, the parent or guardian should receive fewer, or be less-eligible for, state-sponsored benefits and services, such as welfare payments, schooling (such as exclusion from enrolment), child care, etc... with the exception of medical, and only medical, reasons.
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33 RepliesEdited by Psy: 3/16/2014 1:54:05 AMI wholeheartedly agree. If you are so anti-society as to refuse to participate in maintaining herd immunity and the health of your family - then you can live without benefits of any kind. As Dustin pointed out - Just make it law that children must be vaccinated.
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14 RepliesAs IchEsseKinder said: [quote]Whatever happened with "M-MUH BODY" and "M-MUH PRO-CHOICE"? -blam!-ing hypocrites[/quote] I totally understand why people are angry with folks that don't vaccinate themselves or their children: They're risking the livelihood of other people for their own reasons, which is ultimately selfish. However, I think that liberals who support "women's rights to their own bodies", despite there being another body, are totally hypocritical.
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I think that if you can have an increased chance of survival, you should take it. I understand not doing things for religious purposes, but why not having for child vaccinated for a disease? I don't see anything wrong with it(if anyone can tell me why people feel this way please do). And for those who don't believe in modern medicine, don't you see that the people who have the vaccinations aren't getting sick?
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This is just one more step into a horrible way of life. Good job Earthlings!
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3 RepliesEdited by Forever Berg: 3/16/2014 10:38:43 PMVACCINES SHOULD BE FORCED BECAUSE IT DOESN'T JUST AFFECT YOU If you don't get vaccines because you haven't gotten sick yet, just wait. For one, chicken pox boosters are given because adult chicken pox can be fatal, and getting chicken pox once doesn't make you immune. There are many diseases like this. Not only are you putting yourself at risk now and in the future as an elderly person, but you put others at risk. Your daughters that you don't vaccinate can contract preventable diseases while pregnant which will permanently affect their baby. You will be a walking carrier of many diseases and putting people with immunity weakening diseases like AIDS and leukemia in extreme danger just by being near them. Typhoid Mary's to a degree. VACCINES AREN'T RELEVANT TO ABORTIONS Vaccinations are preventing living people with personalities and massive importance in people's lives from being killed. It not only prevents the child from harm but those around them. Abortion is sad, yes. Abortion is also performed at an early stage where the only thing dying is a developing fetus. This is an irrelevant issue compared to vaccinations, no one else but the fetus is "in danger" here, and I'm not even saying I support abortion. And if you think that people should be forced into not having abortions, then why must you hold back on saying that people should be forced to have vaccinations. Look at my picture for a cost benefit of getting a vaccination, it's worth it. IT ISN'T A GOVERNMENT PLOY You're a -blam!-ing idiot if you think otherwise. It's the reason polio is no longer relevant, and polio was the AIDS/cancer of not too long ago. IT DOESN'T CAUSE AUTISM The doctor who claimed this was proven to be false and admitted to lying. He had his medical license revoked and suffered repercussions. You guys would have more validity using the Onion as your source. Cost-benefit is edited in now
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No, of course not. The state should not be hurting the children of those parents because of the parents' own foolishness.
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Edited by Gatsby: 3/16/2014 10:31:21 AMHow can anyone say this is bait? It's logic! You vaccinate your child to prevent diseases, why is that so hard to comprehend? Do you believe praying to your god will cure them? I'll save you the trouble and tell you now, it won't. It should just be made law to have everyone vaccinated.
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6 RepliesGive the parents the choice for their children, I don't think we should truly FORCE anybody to get vaccinations. (Not including private businesses ect) But if you don't, don't complain about jobs/schools rejecting your child/you because they don't have the vaccinations
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If you want to start blaming groups for this event, start with; - the US and UK legal system for paying out claims (and thus giving merit) - the Lancet for publishing un-edited and un-reviewed articled. The doubts against the user of MMR vaccines can all be traced back to an article published in the Lancet. The article had no peer review and not fact checking done by the Lancet itself (who later published a retraction - albeit too late). The author was later fined and bared from medical practice as he had published the article only for commercial gain - he wanted the combined vaccine to fail, as he could then use his involvement in the single antigen for his own gain. Sadly none of this was explained to the general public. To make that worse both the US and UK legal system paid out on invalid claims, in doing so given merit to these false beliefs.
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Edited by Madman Mordo: 3/16/2014 4:28:50 PMI personally believe they should lose all custodial rights to their children (unless vaccinating them would prove more detrimental to their health than if they weren't). I don't see how it's any different from physical child abuse.
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2 RepliesWell, I can't get one because of my compromised immune system. My brother can't either because he has the same disease and we have a family history of illness resulting from vaccines so it's not a good idea for us to get them. I do think the anti-vaccination movement is stupid as f*ck though for not recognizing that vaccines are actually good.
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8 RepliesEdited by IchEsseKinder: 3/16/2014 2:42:58 PMI have not been vaccinated in the past six years. Swine flu? Never got vaccinated and never got sick. Simply put, I don't get sick and think vaccines are a simple waste of money Oh my gawd, I'm laughing at all the liberals and democrats in here saying yes. Whatever happened with "M-MUH BODY" and "M-MUH PRO-CHOICE"? -blam!-ing hypocrites
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8 RepliesI think parents are capable of making their own decisions. If they do not believe in modern medicine, that is fine. These beliefs should not be forced on the child, but is it really any different from us forcing the child to get shots in the first place? I cannot say I agree with those groups or parents....but it is not my place to make them do anything. I don't think this situation is as black and white as people make it out to be.
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6 RepliesI'm not anti-vaccination, but my mom had a flu shot when she was pregnant and she had a miscarriage soon after. Not to forget that the doctor's office were bothering her about taking it and all the nurses said that the flu shot [i]didn't[/i] cause miscarriages. Now I'm not saying the flu shot is [i]bad[/i] i just saying I'm not sure why they push something that [i]could[/i] cause a miscarriage. [spoiler]I'm not a conspiracy theorist[/spoiler]
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Agreed, although the only downside I could forsee with a measure like this is that taking away the parents' benefits could potentially affect the children too. Yes, Child Protective Services could then come into play, but that isn't always the best or most evident solution. This is something that should definitely be handled with a lot of care.
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Edited by Progo: 3/16/2014 2:25:30 AMTotally agree, no one is forcing anyone to get vaccinated, but if you want the perks that come with being a part of society, you need to be vaccinated. The reason why I want that isn't because of the safety of those kids, rather it's that a small part of the population have extreme allergies to common vaccines. I cannot get the whooping cough vaccine for that reason, and I depend on the fact that most people around me are vaccinated against it.
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1 ReplyActually, I think I would also be inclined against taking a vaccine for any particular disease if I was, essentially, being forced against my will to take a vaccine. And before I say anything further, could someone be so kind as to explain to my why anyone would be against giving people vaccines for any particular disease, in a peaceful and un-biased manner, please?
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I don't think the government should be using our taxes to benefits families who decide to vaccinate their children? And exclusion from enrollment in school? Come on now... MAYBE certain universities and private schools, but unless it becomes an epidemic I don't think so.
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Edited by Random: 3/17/2014 4:11:16 AMnvm someone already posted it
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6 RepliesI think that this is a hard one. While I agree that preventing these diseases is a good thing to do and I support the idea of it, I don't support it's implementation. On the one hand we have what potentially saves lives but on the other we have all these unnecessarily added chemicals to the injections that can cause a lot of harm, potentially more then the actual disease. After reading the article however I find that it appears as a rather biased source. Calling out any who don't follow the same ideas as the writer crazy and wording it in a very one sided way I find this author hard to take seriously. I am sure that the events are real but as to the cause and severity I do question as they may have been taken far out of proportion but such a writer. So right now I sit on the fence not really wanting to take a side as there are are an even level of pro's and con's to vaccines. However this was a poor article to link as source material.
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7 RepliesHow about you let us do our own thing?
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Lol still trying to bait Americans, huh?
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1 ReplyIf you don't get vaccinations you are not only putting yourself at risk but everyone else too. There is no reason not to. It's common conspiracy theorists. Idiots who should be punished.
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No, because that would be de facto forced medication. Now you could make it a law that in order to use public schools you require a vaccination, although I'm pretty sure that's already a thing since I've had to provide record of shots to my schools in the past.
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2 RepliesWait, how is this guy a mod if he's still throwing around tis obvious bait?
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Edited by Kalameet: 3/16/2014 3:24:26 PMSome people here don't understand the concept of herd immunity. That said, while I don't think vaccines should be forced, if a child incapable of being vaccinated dies from a disease your unvaccinated child gave to them, you should be responsible. Same goes if your child dies from neglect of vaccines. Oh, and you'll be exempt from state services.
