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7/1/2014 6:49:54 PM
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That is correct.
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You can spend about $600 to get a PC that out performs either of the next gen consoles. I spent less than $550 for a 4k rig. Mind you, I'm reusing some things from past rigs (tower, monitor, 8 gigs of RAM [did pick up 8 more], and soundcard) but it can be done on the cheap. Hell the monitor only cost me $150 (gotta love the clearance deals). Point is, you can build these systems on the cheap to out perform either of the new consoles.
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While I have no delusions about the pros and cons of PCs vs Consoles, I do have to wonder about the statement: You can spend $600 to outperform a new gen system ($400). Assuming you already have a lot of the other necessary peripherals. (Not being sarcastic)Is anyone arguing differently?
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He said he spent less then $550 with the parts he already had and for sonething better then a next gen i would take that and if you want a controller you just have to download some software and have either a wired controller or a charging cable and you can use any controller you want whay's not to like
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Edited by Tibbaryllis2: 7/2/2014 2:29:03 AMThe sum of his statement was either you can start from scratch and spend $600 to have something better than a PS4 or you can upgrade an already good system to great (ie 4k) for ~$500 more dollars. The point of my statement was that I certainly hope if you spend 150% the cost of a PS4 then you come out at least 150% better performance wise. You get what you pay for, and it's up to each gamer to decide what they want to pay for.
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Yeah but you said you can spend $600 if you already have the parts but that isn't what he was saying
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Edited by Tibbaryllis2: 7/2/2014 3:04:50 AMOh no no I said peripherals. The monitor, speaker, cables, mouse, keyboard, etc. It's a pretty safe assumption that everyone has a monitor or tv lying around so PC and console are tied there, but you can spend quite a bit on a decent set of speakers/keyboard/mouse in comparison to the controller that comes with the console. If you went with good, but not great, peripherals then I'd expect that to be a $150 investment in addition to the $600 rig.
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I have a gaming computer and i don't use a mouse or keyboard or have speakers i hook up a wired 360 controller and use the same turtle beaches i do for 360 i use a mouse and keyboard from walmart
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Edited by Tibbaryllis2: 7/2/2014 3:29:43 AMWhich sounds smart. I said [quote]You can spend $600 to outperform a new gen system ($400). Assuming you already have a lot of the other necessary peripherals. [/quote] So I was assuming you'd have the necessary controllers, mice, wires, to put the system together. The $600 is just the sticker price on the rig. If you were going to give a dollar amount for everything from scratch you'd still have to buy a controller, mouse, keyboard, speakers, monitor, etc. So if you were starting PC from scratch you'd still need an additional $200+ in Walmart grade peripherals to get set up. You could easily spend an additional $600 if you wanted quality peripherals. Whereas if you started gaming from scratch on a PS4 the only thing you'd need to provide that wasn't in the box is Ethernet and a TV. Again I'm not really arguing PRO or CON PC/Console gaming. One you pay [b]far[/b] more on a 1:1 basis, but you can get far more out of it. The other you pay less and get less graphically in exchange for accessibility and ease of use. It's not an argument; it just is.
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Yeah but that guy built a gaming pc for $550 because he already had some of the things he needed i don't understand how what you said matches up to that
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Edited by Tibbaryllis2: 7/2/2014 3:43:51 AMRead the rest of his conversation with me. He has spent over $3000 on his gaming rig total and was recently able to upgrade it to 4k resolution quality with $550. That's quite a different starting point than starting from scratch/out of box.
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Well he could have been completely redoing it over and over again which is stupid and a waste of money. That is the only reason i could see him spending $3550 and if so then it is his own fault
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Not stupid at all. From what Rex said he has had the same rig for 14 years and has been keeping it current and it can do 4k resolution gaming. Being on the cutting edge of graphics costs real money, and if he has been able to do it for a decade and a half, thenI'd say that's a pretty fair investment. It means he's had HD and 60fps when console gamers were playing in standard definition on tube TVs.
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Ah i didn't know about the 14 years part
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Yeah. 3k upfront would be a [b]HUGE[/b] investment. But over 14years that's only $200 a year. Which honestly sounds about right if you're upgrading yearly to stay above average. This is where the beauty of a console comes in because I pay $400 now and am good for 8 years.
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Not neccessarily there have already been talks on both sides of working on new consoles
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Nope, not at all. PC gaming [i]can[/i] be quite pricey. Personally, I find it much easier on the wallet to upgrade only the necessities when they no longer function at mid level. Eg. 3DFX went out of business in 2001. I had bought their best card the year before. I finally upgraded my card in 2006, and just replaced those at the end of last year. Total investment in my gaming rig (counting initial investment) is somewhere around $3200. Not bad for a 14 year old case. Now, that is also including gaming peripherals (Nostromo, Razor mouse, gaming keyboard, and 3 monitors over the years), which again, isn't that bad. In that same timeframe, I bought a PS2, PS3, 2 XBs, 2 XB 360s, Game Cube, Wii, 3 additional controllers for each, not to mention a few headsets, charging stations, etc. If I were to add it up, I would suspect I've spent about the same if not more on the consoles. And I still have more games on PC which I spent less on overall (who doesn't love a good Steam sale ^_^). In the long run, you can really end up spending less by keeping it simple. Buy good parts up front (initial investment can be quite high on this one), and they can last you much longer than the console generations. Now, you'll be replacing things occasionally, but it'll be rare (if ever) that you have to start completely from scratch. I appreciate the candor. I'm not trying to come off as an ass or elitist, as I'm an all around gamer (I play on console much more now than I used to, and in some rare cases enjoy it more), so I like decent discussion.
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I just thought it was a funny statement. I completely agree btw. I chased PC gaming for a while and, in my experience I would say over several years they're basically equivalent cost wise if you're looking to get a comparable graphics/gameplay experience. As soon as you start trying to own multiple consoles or try to up the graphics is where the scales drastically start to tip. In the end you have to be an informed enough consumer to understand what you want out of gaming and pick accordingly. Me personally: I was only going to buy 1 system and wanted to open a box, work through a few UI, and basically never have to worry about hardware/software again (baring malfunctions) for 8 years. I didn't want to deal with chasing drivers to make sure games functioned correctly, didn't want to calculate where on the system reqs/recs/max my system fell for every given game, and I didnt want to have to worry about viruses, malware, spyware, firewalls, etc etc in order to play a game. Also my current gaming tv has a max res of 720p. $400 accomplished all of that at a hell of a bargain. Everyone's mileage varies, but it never seems to amaze me that the majority of vocal console gamers appears to only care about graphics and that PC gamers want to compare console and PC gaming as if they didn't pay for their privilege.
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Exactly, lol. If only everyone would come to the realization that we're all gamers, no matter the platform.
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Edited by Tibbaryllis2: 7/1/2014 9:31:15 PMYes, but at the same time definitely [b]no[/b]. With the way gaming culture has grown and changed we have a mixture of gaming subcultures who have no idea about gaming and are, I feel, influencing gaming in a negative way. A lot of this hate/butthurt comes from a generation of gamers wanting bleeding edge graphics on platforms designed for accessible gaming over graphical output. It's fine to want more, but you don't buy a new minivan and expect it to accelerate from 0 to 60 in 2 seconds. This misinformed culture is going to cause developers to favor graphics over gameplay and I genuinely fear that, in order to meet this call for graphics without dropping new hardware, a large segment gaming will evolve away from Destiny/Elderscrolls/etc and more towards quick time event movies. We are all gamers, but are similarities end there for a lot of us. Unfortunately mature, informed gamers seem to be less vocal than the immature and uninformed. Also the internet has created just too many trolling dicks in general. Edit: sorry that got a little ranty and way off topic
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Tabby I really do like how you talk thank you
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Lol, it's all good. I agree with pretty much all of that.
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It sounds like its cheaper/better, but it's not. Further durn the thread, a poster linked some builds for systems near equivalent. While it's a nice thing, none of the systems were vastly superior ( let alone master race worthy). I used to be an avid system builder. It's a never ending money siphon to stay bleeding edge.
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Yeah. I think it's fairly obvious that 1080 and 30/60fps will be standard on the one/ps4. If you're fine with that then I think there is no argument that a $400 next gen console is easily the best value for next 8-10 years. Especially if you're late to next gen and pick one up for $250-$300.
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That is good to know. I doubt I will do what you did, but still, it is good information. In my opinion I prefer consoles because I have been playing on consoles all of my life. However, if I could get a good PC and a controller adapter I may consider.
