You have a good point.

so you can pinpoint the exact middle of the screen, to crosshair accuracy, while playing a game, without any guidance, rather than just knowing roughly where the middle is?

You realize you just described the job of a reticle right? A feature which comes FREE with most fps games. Even without a reticle it takes some serious incompetence to need a $30 attachment to tell me where the middle of my television is.

Are you referring to reticules that are onscreen at all times? If so, then that feature is actually devoid from a lot shooters in recent years, seeing that fps games took a huge shift toward modern-combat and "realism," and away from arcadey/arena shooters where they were prominent. Furthermore, if a reticule was onscreen, that would count as "guidance," something I specially asked if you could identify the exact center of the screen without.

If you read my last comment again you'll see where I say you'd have to be incompetent to not tell where the center of your screen is, reticle or not.

So my original question still exists: you can pinpoint the exact middle of the screen, to crosshair accuracy, while playing a game, without any guidance, rather than just knowing roughly where the middle is?

Yes, how do you think quick scoping was possible? You line up the shot BEFORE you aim which requires that you know where the crosshairs would be beforehand. Why would you even need to know exactly where the crosshair would be to hip fire anyway? The bullets spray out randomly so it wouldn't improve my accuracy. Your question is irrelevant to hip fire discussion.

[quote]Yes, how do you think quick scoping was possible? [/quote] Quick-scoping relies on the use of a scope, hence the name of it... [quote]Your question is irrelevant to hip fire discussion.[/quote] Depends on the game.

If you've ever seen it you'd know that the person needs to line up the shot and quickly scope simply so the bullet goes straight. If done correctly you wouldn't even see the inside of the scope.

If done correctly, that would be no-scoping, but that is besides the point. My question was directed specifically at you, not people in general. Also, quick-scoping/no-scoping is a specific technique, typically used in specific situations, and is essentially an exploit. So, removing all guidance, all scopes, all and any help or indicators on-screen, are you saying that a person must be incompetent to not always know where the exact center of the screen is, at all times, regardless of what is going on, whether it be a firefight, simply sprinting the map, explosions and debris flying everywhere, needing to quickly turn around and fire at an attacker, etc.? Are you implying that if people can't always just have a mental picture of where the center of screen is, at all times, then that somehow makes them an incompetent player, and if so, please elaborate on what you mean by "incompetent," seeing that depending on the game or gamemode, a player could go 0-20 and still be one of the players that contributed the most to his team.

1. I answered your question both directly and indirectly already. 2. You are an incompetent player if you can't tell me where at least the approximate center of the screen is. 3. Do you need to know the exact location down to the pixel? [i]No[/i], because like I already said, hip fire is random so it will be going every place but the red dot on your screen. [quote] Are you implying that if people can't always just have a mental picture of where the center of screen is, at all times, then that somehow makes them an incompetent player.[/quote] 5.i'm not implying that every player knows the location of the reticle location [b]at all times[/b], but any good player has the awareness to keep track of something so basic as the screen direction most of the time. 6. I'm not sure why I need to elaborate on the definition of incompetence. It's lacking the skills to succeed. In a [b]shooter[/b], lacking the ability to shoot things without $30 handicaps is incompetence.

[quote]2. You are an incompetent player if you can't tell me where at least the approximate center of the screen is. 3. Do you need to know the exact location down to the pixel? No, because like I already said, hip fire is random so it will be going every place but the red dot on your screen.[/quote] But this is irrelevant. If someone wants to buy the device for nothing more than peace of mind or convenience of always knowing where exact center is, what it wrong with that? This applies to players of all skill levels, incompetent or not. [quote]5.i'm not implying that every player knows the location of the reticle location at all times, but any good player has the awareness to keep track of something so basic as the screen direction most of the time.[/quote] So what if someone would like to know at all times where center is? You could argue that it could help performance, even for skilled players, so assuming only "bad" players would need or want such a device, is a bit naive. [quote]6. I'm not sure why I need to elaborate on the definition of incompetence. It's lacking the skills to succeed. In a shooter, lacking the ability to shoot things without $30 handicaps is incompetence.[/quote] If you are 1v1 dueling or perhaps playing DM or TDM, you may have a point, but what about class or objective-based games/gametypes? As I mentioned earlier, a player can have piss poor aim/KDR, yet still be a top contributor on his team. You are also making the fallacy of assuming that people would only buy this who can't shoot/aim without it. That would be like saying only non-skilled players hack/cheat, yet often times it is highly competitive players that will do anything to win - think of it like the video game equivalent to taking steroids. Bottom line is that to assume only no-skill scrubs or "incompetent" players would want or in certain circumstances, even "need" this, is a short-sighted statement.

You keep saying that I'm assuming that [b]any[/b] person who buys this is bad. If you read my original comment and any comment after, I never said that. I said anybody who [b][i][u]needs[/u][/i][/b] this red dot is a dumbass. If you need this handicap to get kills you are bad at the game and you won't get any better by playing with a handicap. There's no if, ands, or buts about it.

[quote] I said anybody who needs this red dot is a dumbass. If you need this handicap to get kills you are bad at the game and you won't get any better by playing with a handicap. There's no if, ands, or buts about it.[/quote] And this is where you continue to be close-minded, implying that a players ability to get kills is the only factor to determine their skill. I explained this above: [quote]If you are 1v1 dueling or perhaps playing DM or TDM, you may have a point, but what about class or objective-based games/gametypes? As I mentioned earlier, a player can have piss poor aim/KDR, yet still be a top contributor on his team.[/quote] So your statement of [i]"If you need this handicap to get kills you are bad at the game"[/i] is an inaccurate statement. They may be bad at one aspect of the game, but could still overall, be a good player. I have a friend that plays BF - his KDR is below 1.0, as is his KPM, but his SPM is always around 900. He is poor at shooting yet, he's still a good player, and a great teammate. http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/soldier/ESuns/stats/227017780/xboxone/ The ironic truth is that depending on which game or gametype you play, and/or which role you fill, you don't actually have to be that good at shooting to still be good at the game.

Lol ok take a team of people who can't aim worth a damn with you into multiplayer. Tell me how many games you win.

If that team is out-capturing the other team in objectives, they will win. If they play something like CTF, if they can out maneuver the other team, they can win. I have over 15 yrs. experience playing shooters online, around 3 of those years I played in a league - I have the experience to know what I'm talking about. Being able to aim/kill efficiently is important, but it isn't everything, and lack of this skill does not necessarily mean a player is bad at the game. There are many variables at play. My strongest class is Medic, and I often don't spend that much time killing others, since I am more focused on playing my role and offering support. I'm also not that strong at aiming with a controller, but I don't really have to be, because the gametypes I play don't call for it. If I can keep healing and reviving my teammates, they can essentially fight my battles for me. If I keep capturing points, There is little need to rack up kills.

That's great in theory, but majority of the time if your team can't shoot anything your going to get mowed down capturing a flag. In Destiny's capture mode you won't win by only capturing flags. Please take a team of good players and only hip fire then post the results. I lost interest in this discussion 10 hours ago so reply if you want but I won't read.

[quote]That's great in theory...[/quote] But since it works in practice, it's not really a theory, is it? I have witnessed it first hand, and even done it, and continue to do it, myself. You'd be surprised what you can do when you choose to develop other skills, rather than just focus on being an efficient killer.