[quote] I said anybody who needs this red dot is a dumbass. If you need this handicap to get kills you are bad at the game and you won't get any better by playing with a handicap. There's no if, ands, or buts about it.[/quote] And this is where you continue to be close-minded, implying that a players ability to get kills is the only factor to determine their skill. I explained this above: [quote]If you are 1v1 dueling or perhaps playing DM or TDM, you may have a point, but what about class or objective-based games/gametypes? As I mentioned earlier, a player can have piss poor aim/KDR, yet still be a top contributor on his team.[/quote] So your statement of [i]"If you need this handicap to get kills you are bad at the game"[/i] is an inaccurate statement. They may be bad at one aspect of the game, but could still overall, be a good player. I have a friend that plays BF - his KDR is below 1.0, as is his KPM, but his SPM is always around 900. He is poor at shooting yet, he's still a good player, and a great teammate. http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/soldier/ESuns/stats/227017780/xboxone/ The ironic truth is that depending on which game or gametype you play, and/or which role you fill, you don't actually have to be that good at shooting to still be good at the game.

Lol ok take a team of people who can't aim worth a damn with you into multiplayer. Tell me how many games you win.

If that team is out-capturing the other team in objectives, they will win. If they play something like CTF, if they can out maneuver the other team, they can win. I have over 15 yrs. experience playing shooters online, around 3 of those years I played in a league - I have the experience to know what I'm talking about. Being able to aim/kill efficiently is important, but it isn't everything, and lack of this skill does not necessarily mean a player is bad at the game. There are many variables at play. My strongest class is Medic, and I often don't spend that much time killing others, since I am more focused on playing my role and offering support. I'm also not that strong at aiming with a controller, but I don't really have to be, because the gametypes I play don't call for it. If I can keep healing and reviving my teammates, they can essentially fight my battles for me. If I keep capturing points, There is little need to rack up kills.

That's great in theory, but majority of the time if your team can't shoot anything your going to get mowed down capturing a flag. In Destiny's capture mode you won't win by only capturing flags. Please take a team of good players and only hip fire then post the results. I lost interest in this discussion 10 hours ago so reply if you want but I won't read.

[quote]That's great in theory...[/quote] But since it works in practice, it's not really a theory, is it? I have witnessed it first hand, and even done it, and continue to do it, myself. You'd be surprised what you can do when you choose to develop other skills, rather than just focus on being an efficient killer.